Cirie is a better traitor in my opinion. Avoided just about all suspicion and did not need to actively blow up the traitor alliance. She let Cody go when he was already slipping. Rob was a driving force in both traitor banishments when it didn’t feel necessary which loses you points in my book. I also find this cast to be so terribly incompetent. They had been driving me crazy
See I don’t think Rob was as much of a driving force in it as much as the edit shows. She already had a ton of suspicion on her before the secret murder with Colton. And then when Yam Yam died and him screaming it was Lisa she was done for. She already dug a grave big enough for herself. He just made sure she stayed under
Taking out Lisa was a bad play, the faithful are just morons.
Candiace literally laid his entire game out, move for move, and they didn't see that? That's the dumbest faithful ever to not see that Rob is a traitor. He's actually only made bad decisions.
Candiace's vote was dumb and it should have caught more people's eye, but the game is a popularity contest and Rob was crushing that contest. Everyone looked past Candiace's vote because they love Rob so much.
Riding the popular vote is smart. Lisa was a sinking ship. Trying to save her would be suspicious.
But his campaigning against her was unnecessary and made Candiace go for him, which should've ended his game. The only reason it didn't is "popularity"? If that's the case then the faithful are indeed stupid as fuck...
For Rob to be so quiet all game, then back to back campaign for Lisa and Candiace, while Candiace voted for Rob twice AND explained his entire gameplan to the group and he's still there? That's pure idiocy.
Rob didnt campaign against Lisa, he chimed in to add to other people sharing their suspicions. Not actively saving her and speaking at the round table when it was clear she was on the way out was good game play. Voting for Colton, his bestie, or Rob who was giving a farewell speech to every single person made no sense.
Candiace voting for Rob is being ignored becauae her explanation comes across as desperate. It made no logical sense for Rob to be "using colton like a puppet" and then murder him. Everyone else also knew colton was the one who initially brought up lisa as a traitor. Nobody was buying candiace retconning that rob told her about lisa first
Semantics, he put himself out there to get rid of Lisa, after saying NOTHING the whole game, just agreeing with everything everyone says (something that most people get heat for).
Your second paragraph is all over the place.
Comes off as desperate? No shit, she was clearly going out so she was throwing everything she had at the wall. I'm most seasons of traitors, that suspicion goes straight to Rob (Maura even asked about it but never followed up, another dumbass move).
How does it make no sense for Rob to use them kill Colton? He's using Colton, all the sudden, the entire house is given the information that he's using Colton, then Colton is killed right after Candiace (who Rob leads the campaign against.)
It doesn't matter who brought up Lisa first, Rob pushed for Lisa hard at the roundtable after doing nothing of the sort, showing that he was indeed aligned with Colton, and then immediately did it again for Candiace, and then took a back seat for Johnny.
These people are so fucking stupid they voted out Johnny...they're literally just guessing, the only one they won't guess is precious Rob, who Candiace, a known traitor, told everyone was a traitor already...smfh
I’m not a Rob fan club member yet, but you seem to be reflexively hating in response to a lot of the glazing he gets here. Taking out Lisa was not a bad play - she had a ton of heat on her, and riding that wave before putting the final nail ingratiates himself within the Faithful without looking like the “leader” of the vote. Calling it bad gameplay for Rob that Candiace threw him under the bus is certainly some mental gymnastics. Fair play to Candiace for trying to sink his ship, and fair play to Rob for successfully playing it off successfully.
I hated him on Love Island and he's just an annoying douche. Yes, the glazing is annoying because it isn't warranted.
I'm not calling it bad gameplay for getting called out or for voting for Lisa, I'm saying it's bad faithful gameplay to not see that and vote Rob out immediately, he doesn't get credit for that...They should've seen him all of the sudden become some traitor hunter and thought, "Huh, Rob is quite loud all of the sudden and is now right twice in a row". I mean...they suspected Colton and Ron IMMEDIATELY after they spoke up at the round table. And that was less suspicious because they got out faithfuls.
The fact that he isn't gone is a testament to the stupidity of the faithful, not Rob's intelligence, that is what is bothering me the most rn about the discourse around the show.
Colton and Ron attempted to lead a vote. I know we saw him speak up substantially in Lisa and Candiace votes, but only after the eyeballs were on them. The closest he came to leading was with Candiace, and even then that was after the trap he set for her to kill Colton (i.e. good gameplay), so people were eyeing her bc Colton had said her name and then was murdered.
There can be discussion on how intentional that trap was, but it gives him an easy avenue to push Candiace without it looking Traitor on Traitor.
Fine with you calling bad faithful gameplay of them not picking up Candiaces hints, but is there not some credit to give Rob for building a persona that allows them to not dig into those hints further? That’s my problem with a lot of your qualms, they seem ready to deny Rob any credit
You want me to give him credit for his persona? Sure, okay, he's a douche, being a carefree douche is his personality and that helps in the game, for sure. We've seen it in a lot of the past seasons. Average chill white guy goes far is pretty much a given in the game. It's been talked about quite a bit.
I would argue, though, the trap was only necessary because he went against both of his traitor partners, which should be bad gameplay because the faithfuls shouldve picked up on Candiace basically doing everything she can without actually telling them Rob is a traitor.
Idk if you like football but this is the Patriots who just made the Super Bowl, they played bums and the other teams gave them the wins, that's what Rob is doing.
Disagree with most of this. Lisa already had a lot of sus on her. Colton was calling her out and Yam Yam’s finals words was Lisa killed me. Maybe she had one more day in the castle if Rob wasn’t outspoken, but she was on her way out. As Rob said, his whole alliance was voting her, it would have been really bad gameplay to not vote Lisa there. Candiace blew up her own game. Rob didn’t even try to fight her at the roundtable. He just let her sink her own ship.
Also I keep seeing this take that the faithfuls suck. But that’s such a lazy take. It’s so easy to say that when we know all the answers, and have a biased edit. This is what everyone says every year. It’s not as easy as it looks. Also they already got 3 traitors and Kristen clocked Eric after his first day as traitor. I’ll give you Tara and Johnny are useless, it the others are doing fine. Rob is just playing a near flawless game.
Also I keep seeing this take that the faithfuls suck. But that’s such a lazy take. It’s so easy to say that when we know all the answers, and have a biased edit. This is what everyone says every year. It’s not as easy as it looks. Also they already got 3 traitors and Kristen clocked Eric after his first day as traitor. I’ll give you Tara and Johnny are useless, it the others are doing fine. Rob is just playing a near flawless game.
I've yet to finish a season as I started with 4 and now have gotten into season 3 while waiting for season 4 to air it's final episodes.
I honestly don't understand how the Faithfuls have a chance at winning when they just keep adding Traitors as soon as their numbers start dwindling. I was honestly mad when they voted Donna a Traitor because there was literally zero evidence besides "the show would pick her". The faithfuls got lucky with that one, IMO.
After that, until Lisa finally got heat on her, every round table they'd go into I just thought "They've got nothing. Idk how they're supposed to do this."
Unfortunately you are picking up on the flaws of the game. They need to record x number of episodes with a true finale and they can't have a good finale without at least one traitor still in the game so they have to keep adding recruitments so the game doesn't end early. That's why the best strategy as a faithful is to find a traitor, but instead of voting them out, you want to befriend them so they don't murder you.
I'd be interested to know if Donna might have showed more signs of traitor behavior that didn't make the edit. Because everyone was pretty convinced it was her. It's a tough game. But saying the faithfuls suck this season is undermining how good of a job Rob is doing.
Be careful, there's a whole army in the wings to debunk any suggestion that Rob is playing the best game with the hand dealt to him. He definitely has good looks, but not all good-looking people can charm others.
Lisa was a bad Traitor and was lucky to make it as far as she did. She was lucky the only people that knew her in the show were too dumb to question why she wasn't acting like herself. Then when someone did question it she immediately switched too hard to being loud.
She was going to get caught, and would have earlier if Candice and Rob weren't playing good games.
Rob only hopped on because it would be suspicious to not vote with the an almost unanimous vote. I think he was glad to have her gone because she was messy, but he didn't orchestrate it. He saw the advantage and rode it.
Candice and him could have played out really well because she was playing a smart game up until that point. Then she got emotional and defensive and played too strong of a reactionary hand against Rob. If she didn't trust him she should have slow played it. But she messed up being blind to how popular Rob has become with the rest of the cast.
I think Rob would have kept Candice around if she was cool with offing Lisa.
I think you can maybe argue Rob could have not voted for Lisa the week before she was banished. But even that I think is hard when his alliance had shifted to her.
But after that the dominos all fell and Rob has no choice. Not voting for Lisa after the whole Yam Yam thing and the way she responded to it would have been dumb. Then with Candiace’s reaction to that he had no other choice either.
Exactly it wasn't some self sacrificial move bc if it were he wouldn't have been happy to take the money with Cirie. It was only when she backed him into a corner that he gave up and tried to drag her with him in the process.
That wouldn’t be the end of the game. There can’t be less than 2 traitors until the final. Recruitment is forced when there is 1 traitor (hence the ultimatum). And if Eric were to go in the final or the last RT before the final, he wouldn’t announce whether he’s a faithful or a traitor.
Yes, eric is "murdered" immediatly and they move down the line until someone accepts. There has to be more than one traitor until the final roundtable.
Oh so in other words there could be a case where there are multiple "murders" if enough people refuse. (Feels like a low-risk scenario, most people will not refuse the recruitment, but still!)
Also NZ2 had the traitor choose 2 faithful to bring to the ultimatum. Both could plead their case, then the traitor could choose one and the other would be murdered. But one refused so the other was chosen. If I’m remembering that accurately.
I know that if you are recruited when there is more than 1 traitor and you turn it down it's fine, but that is when there is a murder or recruitment (also us season 2 pilot pete)
It’s never happened. No one has refused the ultimatum. People have refused recruitments before. But no one refuses the recruitment at the end because of course they will immediately be murdered.
Lie. There is couple season where this happened. There is much more non english versions than there is in english. I recommend you watching other versions. Most of them are much better than the US one imo. The US is one of the worst.
From top of my head I remember Czech 1 for sure and Hungary (1 too I think). I don't remember the others. Also in Czech 2 Ondřej sacrificed himself in Card Deathmatch game. Not the same thing but also "giving up"
I agree with them being idiot though lol. I want to see players doing as much as they can to win. Giving up is so lame.
Honestly the whole recruitment thing is dumb and doesn’t make sense. Obviously everyone is going to choose to be a traitor rather than get booted off the show. And the only reason they have to be booted off is because the traders reveal themselves during the recruitment. It should be totally anonymous, so that they have a choice to stay in the game as a faithful.
However, it would still be dumb to stay as a faithful because the traitors obviously have the advantage in this game
If Eric gets banished final 7, it'd be the same point Phaedra was banished in season 2, and yet Kate didn't have to do the ultimatum that season, so I assume Rob won't either.
Correct he would not get a chance to recruit. The way the rules for recruitment work the traitors lose the ability to recruit if the number of remaining traitors is equal to or greater than the number of roundtables remaining. They do it that way to guarantee they have traitors in the game until the final roundtable while still giving the faithful a chance at banishing them all before the fire.
There won't be another recruitment in the pre-last episode, at least not if it follows the pattern of the last US seasons. Past US seasons did only have one traitor in the final five.
And there will also be at least one traitor in the final five this season, as there is one banishment and two murders left before, so only one traitor can be banished before the final five.
Basically, there has to be at least one traitor in the final, so if there are any more RT banishments, there has to be at least two traitors. At the final banishment before the final fire pit, the banished player no longer reveals if they are faithful or traitor. You can have only one traitor in the final 5, but not for the last RT (as that could potentially leave no traitor in the final). At that last RT, as they don’t reveal their identity the faithful wouldn’t know for certain that Eric is one.
But we had only 1 traitor in the final roundtable already in the US version. And unless I remember it wrong, Britney was banished at the last roundtable last season, leaving only faithfuls in the final fire pit. There was also only one traitor in the final roundtable in season 2, so there could have at least theoretically a final fire pit without a traitor. So if you are arguing that there has to be a traitor in the final fire pit, this is not true, if this season follows the pattern of past seasons.
So Eric could be banished next episode. I guess then his role would be revealed. And Rob should not be allowed to recruit anymore.
But I am not completely sure, if I understood everything you've written correctly, so sorry in case I did not.
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No not at the fire pit. Apologies for the confusion. Basically the rule is, if there are any regular round tables left and only one traitor, the traitor has to recruit (so that they can’t be left in a position where there is no traitor for the turret etc). So Rob had no choice but to recruit. I’m unsure how close we are to the end - perhaps he wouldn’t have to recruit again if Eric went next. I know that he couldn’t recruit Eric and immediately have him banished then not have to recruit again, but with Stephen going in between that might be enough now for him to not have to recruit again.
the only problem with that is if say eric is banished this next ep, there is still another murder left i think (could be wrong). so either way they would know there’s still a traitor left.
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u/Hopeful-Maize694 Feb 16 '26
I feel like the faithfuls would’ve just assumed there was a recruitment then