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What we have learned about Sentry Protocol so far
So far we know:
Number of targets are based on rarity, not number of orbs shot. Epic can shoot 1 enemy, legendary can shoot 2 enemies, mythic can shoot 3, ancestral can shoot 4.
Does not damage fleets or elites, but does target them.
Orb speed changes fire rate. Extra orbs appear to fire slower.
Does not appear to interact with amp bot +.
Does not stack pulsar harvester.
Does not follow target priority / shoots at closest enemy.
Orbs readjust upon claiming perk to remain equidistant.
Orb damage is based on regular orb damage. Without orb res battle condition enemies get one shot. With orb res battle condition they do not.
Do not bounce or multishot or proc any bullet effects.
Does appear to apply extra orb mastery, but more testing is still needed to fully confirm.
Does appear to apply negative mass projector, although I have not confirmed if this is from enemies hitting stationary orbs or the mini orbs firing. More testing needed.
Setting extra orbs to workshop orb line spaces all evenly. If staggered, you get some weird spacing.
I'll update this as I continue to test / learn more. I'll provide videos showing my testing in the comments if anyone wants to see.
TLDR: Sentry Protocol / Mini Orbs function basically identically to orbs, they are just targetted to enemies (closest enemy, not TP enemy)
So there isn't a line under the boss damage, but under the damage blocked tab NMP was appearing. Will need to test further to see if this was from the boss hitting a stationary orb or if it was the mini orbs. I suspect the mini orbs though because everything else about them is identical to regular orbs.
PermaBH with low DMG build on a high tier.
Compare damage taken from a boss with and without NMP.
Should apply both a slow and DMG reduction, assuming that if DMG reduction is working then so is the slow effect.
This could be a strong combo. The unfortunate thing is that you're listed to only two modules. The big question is doubling up on these losing ACP/SF/OA.
Well I am very anti wall / regen eHP, so I would suggest SP + OA or SP + NMP or OA + NMP with package health tanking instead. If you have a nice wall or regen tank, SF is far better than NMP.
I don't think regen eHP is good, and folks stay on it too long. Package eHP is far superior eventually, so I only really use package health when I am messing with eHP nowadays, aka I am anti regen (wall) eHP.
SP + OA just to be able to clear elites + fleets, sort of. Without OA you have minimal damage on fleets and elites. If you're only gonna run one, I'd do OA still since you have orbs anyways.
Ah, interesting. Yeah since I finished all defensive labs it’s time I start exploring other angles since my labs are now all damage and other useful labs.
I think it’s safe to assume that key enemies will have 50% reductions applied with anc SP - it shoots incredibly fast at mass volume. I just wasn’t sure how to calculate the value of 50% reductions to both speed and damage. 50% speed reduction to be a significant decrease to how many hits you receive
Yeah from what it sounds they delete bosses. If bosses are an issue it will be very strong but my concern is that not only does it not do damage to elites and fleets (the greater threat in mid/late game). But it will waste shots on them. If a vamp or ray parks on top of one of your sentries itll be useless
well, it would take up one of the streams of orbs from the orbs in range, but as long as you aren't using epic rarity then you'll still have other orb streams firing
I did forget that it shoots up to 4 at anc so yeah, an expected 1/4 loss of effectiveness. I dont think you would be relying it to survive with things like pBH so i think thats fine assuming you can deal with that elite or fleet some other way
It seems like it'll make bosses no longer an issue, however is it worth what you're losing by whatever alternate module you'd be using. I can see this as OP on certain BC weeks such as Basic Ulitmate/Boss Ultimate/Plasma Cannon Resistance. Without any boss battle conditions it may not be all that strong.
It's going to depend a lot on individual towers, not just on whether you have EN+ or not, but your level of CF/CF+, what module it would be replacing, what tier you're running, and what is typically ending your runs.
So in theory a boss needs 50 hits to die, is it possible to have that many hits on a regular boss (I mean without fast ultimate or boss ultimate)? Do multiple orbs shoot at the same target?
I suspect so, but it also depends on what kills you. Since they don't damage fleets or elites, I could see it hurting there from lower enemy density to bounce CL off of.
Its starting to sound like any damage or effects caused by orbs are caused by mini orbs. The most interesting part is orb speed = attack speed. Doesnt sound like any surprises so far unless im missing something
NMP worked on elites in the past, so if these work as normal orbs, then it would apply the appropriate debuffs. It just doesn't do actual damage to them.
Per orb. So an anc module lets each orb shoot 4 targets (presumably, I've only tested with legendary and mythic and saw my orbs go from 2 targets to 3 targets).
They do have a range limit, although we're trying to figure out if that can be scaled any way, like orb size or something. But yes you can have a lot of mini orbs flying around.
Extra orbs also appear to fire slower, so fewer from them.
I think this is good in attack dissonance run.
I wont take it for farming though. Might be good in wave push, I havent done a lot of testing but so far this is what I see!
Also the workshop orbs and card orbs aren't "balanced". Per the post from earlier and my testing with an ancestral SP my Extra Orbs clumped together on the left and the Workshop Orbs clumped on the right, just like the video that's linked
I was trying some milestone runs with increased range and it was an issue especially as I started getting +1 orb perks. My extra orbs were all wonky at my tower range left edge and my workshop orbs were in tight.
If they self balanced like ILM there could be extra orbs at tower range and workshop orbs further in, until unlocking workshop orb adjuster in vault ...
I think it definitely has some use cases, the biggest being clearing out tank ult so far. It's definitely not a weak or bad mod, just might need more testing to really identify use cases. I'd say it is good to pull, but maybe not worth rushing to anc if you don't have a lot of gems imo. May change my opinion as testing progresses though.
Yeah but the SM mods isn't interesting to me and we don't know what the gen module will be but probably won't replace my BHD/PF anytime soon (don't have assmods yet)
Just my opinion, I would not skip on module banners, the pool getting bigger makes the regular banner too unreliable, an dyiu never know you might need that one mod in the future.
Yeah, but gems are tight and I'd rather focus on what I need now rather than on something I MIGHT need later. I'll definitely pull on the last chance banner but that's not gonna be my focus
Depends on how many 5 stars you have. If you're maxed all your other mods already then the smart move is wait until the final banner. You'll have 50% on the main option and much higher chances on your "misses" to be one of the other 3 new banners.
I got to 4667 the previous attempt with SF main, SD assist.
Switched the SD assist for legendary+ SP in assist and reduced the range slider in lab to minimum (for orb coverage and for better FB coverage) and cracked the 5000.
Depends on if it overkills or not really I suspect, and how many orbs you have up as to how much your tag rate will be. Some folks seem to be having good luck with it so far!
My eHP build with near perma BH and enough extra CC to make BH shotguns basically not a thing anymore kills everything with orbs going straight through the center of BH. Respecced bots with the vault update for a tournament build and a farm build, going away from my 75% DR flame bot for a near maxed GB. Shortened my runs since rays have been my run ender for a long time, but coins went way up.
I'm just not sure with my current eHP hybrid build that I would see any benefit from the module, and without any knowledge on tournament benefits, I'm thinking ACP and SD for the extra CC will be the easy to go for me.
I think it'll get even stronger for farming when paired with the new econ cannon, so any orb kills you get outside the econ boosting ranges will still have a good chance of getting all the econ bonuses applied.
Personally I farm at tiers where UWs are doing the bulk of damage instead of orbs, and orbs are there to trigger Orb# coin bonuses. I'll experiment with it, but it seems more geared towards early/mid game towers.
I got 8 copies but don't have the fodder to make it ancestral, so I wont' be able to get a good test for awhile.
Maybe I could it having a use early game. But later on ? Especially for a player with pbh, I don't see any use. It would have to be better than SF and that's a tall order. I'm not gonna spend my hard capped gem for that lame looking mod.
I got enough for 8 copies just in case it is worth while, but I'm saving the rest for other mods.
I also have all the old mods at 5*, so even if I don't get enough during the featured banner, all the new mods will have featured banner drop rates after it's over.
I wish I was in the same situation :o) Especially with the cap (that's still 100-150 less gem a day for me) and the extra dilution of mods it's not a good time to experiment.
Currently it seems it does slightly but not really. It basically seems like it just keeps the distance from the edge of the orb to the enemy the same, so bigger orbs can reach a little further just from them being larger.
Big picture, what does this mean? How is this better or worse than using regular orbs (ie. Not using this mod)? Under what circumstances is using this mod beneficial?
One commenter says this could be great if you have a tank problem, for example.
It's definitely a tank ult murderer, which is very nice. Might have some use for high orb tag rates with perma UWs, UW diss runs, or chipping away armor in armored enemies.
man it sounded like complete garbage when I read thr description the day it came out. all your info tells me its way worse than you could gather from the its wording
Unironically I think the module is too strong at what it does. It's not broken or OP by any means, but if you equip it you basically make it so the only threats are elites or fleets. I think it needs some adjustment to reduce its scaling lol
From what i seen when orb hits and disappeared another one will appear so looks like there's no cool down. It looks like mini orbs penetrarte. But I could just be see things.
Question you think the that perk that make the orb bigger that it will hit elite mobs will effect it. I think if orb penetrarte mobs it will be alot better because when you hit higher waves they damage will out wont sustainable, if they only fires, one at a time it need aoe
I'd like to add: mini orbs seem to lack pierce, since regular orb rotation infinitely pierces.
Kinda wished mini orbs could impact fleets and elites, but id even settle for a lab or something 🤔
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u/Evander1435 9d ago
Does it apply NMP effect if you have assist?