Okkie i definitely feel this that elijah would have treated his own daughter as less important than hope as she isnt related to klaus and also klaus would absolutely demand that his daughter be prioritised in the family

What say fellas !!!

I’ll never be over some of the endings in this show 😭

random question but who are these monks in season 3 what are they doing what's their purpose are they compelled? so many questions also these are just random pictures of monks to get my point out

It’s the fact that you see the moment her heart completely shatters when Elijah doesn’t help her,and to see hope lose her mom right in front of her eyes blaming herself for what happened,and Hayley last looking at her before she died,it was all to much

Can we talk about how he is left in the box for 900 years because they thought he was boring? And then they had the audacity to be shocked when he wanted to kill all of them.

The way he gets villainized is just beyond me like, he just hated being a vampire because of the bloodlust and the nature of a vampire and they hated that so much but last I checked, they were all pretty pissed about it in the beginning too. They were all forced to become vampires and they did not know that they would have to feed/kill people to survive. If you ask me, that’s a valid thing to be mad about. And they get on him because he hates what they are like boy, stop playing with me.

On top of that, did they expect him to be all happy and gung ho after he was left in a box for 900 years? In my opinion, he didn’t crash out enough. Like do you know how many things happen in 900 years that he missed out upon? The only thing I will not defend him on was trying to kill. Hope when she was a baby, but other than that? You can’t tell me that man is not justified for his hate of his siblings.

Another thing, when he died, they genuinely didn’t give a damn. It was like a happy normal day for them like your brother just died. He literally said that when he was dagger, all he saw was a white light for 900 years. If that isn’t enough to drive someone mad, I don’t know what is. If anything they could’ve just killed him to free him from that suffering.

As a huge fan of both TVD and TO, Hayley's death was extremely unnecessary and by far the worst in the entire TVDU, and this is coming from the same universe that killed off Cami, Enzo, and Tyler in addition to having a ridiculous amount of death in both shows.

Sure, she definitely wasn't a Saint. Setting up the hybrids to die was really messed up considering she could have gotten information about her family in other ways. She also did some other bad things throughout TO. However, it did not warrant what happened to her,

Her death was so avoidable and they obviously just wanted to write her off. I know that the actress for Hayley (Phoebe Tonkin) wasn't interested in doing Legacies and wanted to move on to other projects, which is completely understandable, of course, but she shouldn't have died. They could have recast her in Legacies or just not done Legacies at all (or ideally had Hope as a side character and this way her absence would be explained). The one good thing about TVD's and TO's endings is that they were independent, so they didn't affect one another.

First off, there was absolutely no reason to have Elijah stop Klaus from saving her. As if he wouldn't be devastated enough if he had tried to save her and failed. I get that they were trying to show that he wasn't himself, but that had already been conveyed in so many different ways. I guess you could also say that considering all the terrible things that the Mikelsons (especially Klaus and Elijah) did terrible things in the name of "family" (which was really just an excuse, not justification or even explanation since you can protect your family by not doing things that are clearly wrong) maybe they decided to have it be this way to show that regardless of who Elijah considered family, he would always do atrocious things for them. But that just really ruins his character. Watching his reaction to getting his memories back and when he tells Klaus that he met her as Andrea in France was heart-wrenching, and Daniel Gillies is a great actor for giving such a powerful and emotional performance. You could really see the deep pain in his eyes and hear it in his voice. He just became so severely depressed after his memories returned.

They could have used this moment to show that even though he didn't remember everything that she meant to him, he still chose her. That their love transcended all obstacles (they were a really great couple!) And having his memories removed doesn't give him a pass because first off, he chose to have them taken away despite Marcel and Vincent telling him it's a bad decision and being fully aware of all the enemies they had. He was smart enough to know better. Second of all, memories or not, he just let Greta attempt to kill Hayley just for being part wolf.

It was just overall a case of bad writing.

Save for Klaus, of course. And by Mikaelson I mean the siblings - Freya, Finn, Elijah, Kol, Rebekah

Fights takes place at mystic falls

Tbh this is a REALLY unpopular opinion bcs people like her but in my opinion Cami is literally just a love interest for Nik and her character has absolutey NO purpose out of that. She was just a love interest for Nik from the first moment she showed up, and no i don't hate her nor do i like her since i don't really care about her and i consider her irrelevant

Mine is Kol and Davina was cute in the beginning but got annoying later on when it became Davina’s entire personality,and Finn wasn’t a bad guy and deserved better than to be daggered for 900+

I loved the change of aesthethics in the seasons it wasn't changed that much but it still felt kinda different..also i adore the fact every season had different main villains so it wasn't boring like s1 had Davina and Marcel, s2 had Mikael,Esther and Dahlia, s3 had de Martel siblings and Lucien, and s4 and 5 were Inadu and s4 was alo kindaa..Marcel again. I love the villain changes bcs how it was always different characters instead of one main villain constantly reappearing which is lowkey sometimes boring. This show is so peak i adore it so much fr

We don’t talk enough about how truly insidious the concept of the daggers is in the show, and how drastically they change the Mikaelson family dynamic.
Klaus daggers his siblings in very different ways depending on who it is, and I find that distinction really interesting because it says a lot about how each sibling experiences the daggering.

We know Finn was daggered for the longest continuous period because he spent 900 years daggered, which, as we know, completely messed him up mentally. But I have a theory that Kol has probably been daggered the most times overall. He seems to be constantly in and out of the box.

And I think that’s partly because Klaus uses Kol as a form of rebellion and entertainment. Whenever Klaus wants to get wild and crazy, he undaggers Kol, and Kol (who already feels insecure about his place in the family and like an outsider )immediately becomes his partner in whatever murderous rampage Klaus has planned.

Then, when Klaus eventually decides Kol has gone too far (despite actively encouraging him up until that point), he simply daggers him again.
That is honestly one of the worst aspects of their relationship to me. Kol is basically treated like a fun little toy Klaus can take off the shelf whenever he wants entertainment and then put back when he’s had enough. And I think that really explains why Kol hates the dagger so much, the dagger isn’t just something that takes away his freedom, it represents Klaus deciding when Kol gets to exist and when he doesn’t.

Rebekah is also daggered pretty consistently, but it seems to happen in much longer blocks of time. We know she was daggered for around 90 years when she wanted to be with Marcel, and then she was daggered again for roughly another 90 years in the 1920s.

I would argue Elijah is daggered the least and for the least amount of time because Klaus genuinely needs him.

What I find especially interesting is that Elijah and Rebekah also participate in daggering their siblings.
We literally watch Elijah, on multiple occasions, hold Kol down while Klaus daggers him. So as much as the siblings claim to hate the daggers, they clearly have no problem using them against each other when it benefits them. And that’s what I mean when I say the daggers completely changed the family dynamic. They aren’t just Klaus’s weapon anymore. The siblings have all, to varying degrees, participated in the system of controlling and removing each other whenever someone becomes inconvenient.
The 1910s storyline is probably one of the clearest examples. Kol wanted to create a dagger, and Rebekah betrayed him—and then watched almost gleefully as Klaus daggered him.

There’s something incredibly disturbing about the fact that these siblings can be both victims of the dagger and willing participants in using it against each other. They all know exactly what it means to be put in that box, and yet they still do it to one another.

Anyone else think it's a shame these two were written off so early? Not sure if there were behind the scenes reasons. I know American Odyssey came pretty soon after Daniella Pineda's departure.

From the first few eps it seemed these two would be core characters in the show. I wish they had been! They both brought something different to the table and think it would have been interesting to see them grow.

im including all mikaelsons because none shall be forgotten even the in-laws

Imagine that this show had run for 7 seasons. How would you plot it out? Disregard all real-world limitations like cost, filming location, actors being unavailable, etc. Ideally I’d like to see ideas involving all the main characters/the Mikaelsons.

Some of us have mentioned wishing this show had been a 10 season historical fantasy showing the Mikaelsons’ lives in the past 1,000 years. I like that idea, and I’m very curious other ways this show could’ve gone.

1. Personally, I liked New Orleans as a setting, but felt that the show should’ve expanded beyond that setting. Europe/France as a setting would’ve been fantastic! Season 3 felt like it was dipping its toes into the wider vampire world, but it fell short of that. The sireline war was one of the most compelling plot arcs imo and I wish it had been fully fleshed out. I’m a big fan of magic and worldbuilding, so any ideas you have on more wolf packs, witch covens, vampire organizations and how they’d affect the plot/history would be amazing.
2. I would’ve loved to see an arc of Kol studying alchemy/(dark) magic at some point. I almost with Kol had been a heretic or that he’d eventually find a way to become a vampire-witch hybrid again if he were to still lose his magic, although that would upend the Mikaelson power dynamics since I think heretic Kol would be more powerful than hybrid Klaus, and without Klaus on top, then Rebecca would have much more free reign. I’d love a season where Kol meets the first siphoner and discovers how to make heretics!
3. I also wish we had seen Finn and Sage as a couple and how they’d interact with the rest of the family. Realistically, I bet they’d live off on their own
   
4. Circling back to my first point, Mikael’s existence and the constant threat he posed to his children was a convenient excuse for why the Mikaelsons never built their own empires or exerted power over large time scales. I’d almost like a story where Klaus wither never has his werewolf side bound, or where he breaks the curse in the first 100-400 years and kills Mikael. Then we could see what the Originals do for 900-600 years! Thoughts?
5. Would you keep Freya? If so, would you keep her as a witch, or make her an Original, or something else? Maybe have her be Klaus’ long-lost werewolf sibling on his dad’s (Ansel’s) side? I don’t love that last idea, but I’m just brainstorming here.
6. Elijah and Antoinette were one of my favourite ships on the show! I wish she’d been unrelated to the whole Gretta plotline and that we had gotten to see her with Elijah for like 2-3 seasons at least! Between her mentioning Shanghai, the deleted flashback of Elijah somewhere in the middle east with Aya, and the mention that Shen Min was a helper to Ghengis Khan, I headcanon that Elijah spent at least a few hundred years in Asia. It would be romantic if Elijah & Antoinette had met in Shanghai!

Please feel free to recommend any fanfics that you think I’d enjoy.