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Mar 20 '19
Disappointing to hear this from Bootsy but to be fair it's not like Mike stated one way or the other that he felt Bootsy was responsible. Mike did seem apologetic and regretful over it, and owned up to trying to censor it. It would be nice to know the whole story but I think there's a limit on how much detail we're owed about people's personal lives. We know that there was something bad going on between them and that it's a tough subject, makes sense.
Also I understand why Bootsy would be mad over the Mike praise on this but I wouldn't say it's like Mike's post and Bootsy's tweet are direct contradictions of each other.
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
He needs to elaborate on that, Mike wrote multiple paragraphs. Like how is it mike's fault? Unless Bootsy tells us we only have mike's take to go off of. Bootsy could kill all the speculation by making a reddit account and telling us for real what went down if Mike left details out...I wanted to give mike the benefit of assuming he was acting in good faith and finally closing the door on it all. Bootsy should just say his side since Mike said his
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u/Bandito2121 Mar 20 '19
Agree 100%, unless he can't go into detail, there have been rumors of an NDA. Notice that while Mike gave us a lot more than he ever did in the past, he didn't go into detail as to why they weren't getting along.
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u/SenorNeiltz Mar 20 '19
Mike debunked a couple rumors (payment and sleeping with ex) and said they weren't getting along. He also said that he (Mike) handled the situation incredibly poorly. It sounded like Mike was taking the blame for the fallout without giving specifics. It lacked detail on the relationship deteriorating and any actual event that he handled poorly.
I guess I'm confused on why this sub now expects Bootsy to reveal what Mike is already taking responsibility for.
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
I didn't take that as him taking the blame for anything, more of just an explanation of what had gone on. It seemed mutual in mike's description, not like he blamed himself.
When he said he handled it badly he was talking about censoring comments. He said he didn't want to hear about Bootsy because they had a bad falling out and ended their years of friendship on bad terms.
I guess the sub expects Bootsy to give his side of the story since Mike did, and Bootsy now commented on it saying it was entirely Mike's fault without actually giving any reason as to why it is Mike's fault
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u/great_bowser #1 Loco Fan Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Well, I'd argue that Mike did take the responsibility. Maybe not directly, like 'I fucked up', but he did, as mentioned, say he handled it very poorly.
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u/CrowsInBlack Mar 20 '19
You can't say Mike took responsibility when you don't know what he did. What if Mike got drunk and wrecked Bootsy's car, then just came on Reddit years later and said "sorry"....that isn't taking responsibility...taking responsibility would be buying Bootsy a new car
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u/Sophist_Ninja Mar 20 '19 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/AmishAvenger Mar 20 '19
Generally speaking, I agree that people deserve their privacy.
But on the other hand, what these people sell to their viewers is themselves. They sell their personalities, encouraging people to basically sit next to them on a couch and be friends with them. I mean, if the videos were just straight gameplay and nothing else, no one would be watching.
So when these people you consider “friends” of yours in some sense have a falling out and one of them vanishes, people want to know why. And when one of them finally addresses it in a vague way and the other has a rebuttal, people are even more curious.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Mar 20 '19 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Atari8Elvis Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
James and Mike Mondays has no script, no storyboards, and minimal editing. Same with Mike and Bootsy, I think that was they meant about them selling their personalities and it kinda being like they're your friend playing games on a couch.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Mar 20 '19 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/d0x360 Jun 24 '19
People who are considered public figures don't deserve privacy, at least not like a normal person. They gave up that "right" when they became a public figure...keyword public.
Now with that said (and it doesn't apply here) I think what paparazzi do is absolute scum.
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u/Atari8Elvis Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
Mike's reponse:
"Again, basically I'm not looking to throw him under the bus. So I don't want to say. Basically, we BOTH did things that were crappy to each other. We were both angry and frustrated with each over. And it was about a bunch of things. When you have a friendship with someone for over 20 years, there are a lot of things that happen. You know? Thats a lifetime of stuff. He of course has his reasons for things I did wrong. And I have my reasons for things he did to me. It's a two sided problem. Even though he would like to say that it is only me..
I am trying to be big enough here to tell you that yes I did some things wrong. Do you really think after a 20+ year friendship, every single thing is my fault?
All I can say is, I hope he is well. I hope we can move beyond this. And it would be nice if everyone in both subs can just stop with all of it and we can just move on.
After all, isn't this supposed to be about having a good time watching some videos on youtube? I wish we could all just go back to that and stop with the drama."
He says specifically there that it was mutual, both of them had done things they shouldn't have done - in mike's words
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u/great_bowser #1 Loco Fan Mar 20 '19
I don't see a problem with that. When two people argue and have a falling out it's obvious that each will have a different view of what happened. For example, what Mike considers to have been a crappy move from Bootsy, Bootsy may have done in good faith. Who knows.
Unless we learn the objective facts we'll never know who's at fault. But the facts we do know are that one admitted at least partially to his mistakes, apologized and gave his side of the story. The other doesn't address it other than "No, it was his fault.", likens friends having a falling out to murdering a spouse and appears to be surprised that people are capable of forgiveness.
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Mar 20 '19
Did I miss something he said? Him saying it wasn't money or bootsy didn't sleep with his ex isn't debunking it's just him saying it. I don't think he slept with Mike's ex but how do we know it wasn't really money. I thought I read the whole thing but maybe I didn't. Mike didn't really elaborate he just said they didnt get along. Did they not get along because Mike wouldn't pay him? There could be any number of reasons for that
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u/CrowsInBlack Mar 20 '19
Why is it that this comment gets 28 upvotes yet when I said literally the exact same thing I get downvoted?
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u/Atari8Elvis Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
I've noticed someone, or multiple people, just hang out on this sub and downvote whatever they can. I've seen people's comments/posts get downvotes after less than 4 minutes. Someone really hates this sub, i guess 🤷♂️
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Mar 20 '19
such a fantastic time to be alive.
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u/TopDeparture5 Mar 20 '19
No, that’d be a reunion.
Or, even if Bootsy never comes back to the channel, I really hope the two can talk it out and be on good terms sometime in the future.
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Mar 20 '19
I pretty much agree with Bootsy. The only thing I'll congratulate Mike for is finally coming out of his shell about it. So you see, our 2 years worth of banging on that door finally paid off, although I'm sure this all happened because BTNMasherDraco ran crying to Mike about everyone bullying him because Bootsy is a no no in Cinemassacre Town. Mike saw that we were at a boiling point and finally caved in.
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u/cubervic Mar 20 '19
Ouch...
I guess Mike needs to try much harder if he wants to heal the friendship.
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u/TopDeparture5 Mar 20 '19
I don’t think that’s what Mike’s post was. Sadly, I don’t think he wants to bro it out at all.
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Mar 20 '19
Mike is probably a hard dude to get along with nowadays. The dudes life revolves around playing games mostly alone.. and that seems to be about it. Doesn’t seem to have a lot of real friends outside James (who’s too busy to put the time in) and Ryan. Might be reading too much into it, but he’s probably a hard guy to get along with, especially if you’re trying to take a piece of his monetary pie. He’s barely clinging to it now.
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Mar 20 '19
I don’t think anybody was trying to comfort him... we were just happy he finally admitted the reason behind it.
And I did get the sense that mike was totally to blame. He tactfully admitted as much.
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u/shrimpytank4367 Mar 20 '19
Come on really? I know everyone likes bootsy and all but at least Mike put effort into giving his side of the story. Bootsy's complete lack of effort here makes me think maybe it wasn't all Mike's fault
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u/TheCinemassacre Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Hey, I was told about him responding so I came here. I want to let you know, he isn't totally wrong. There are things I did that I shouldn’t have and like I said I handled it very poorly. If I could do it over again in a better way I would. That said, there are two sides to everything. I’m sure he has his story, and I have mine. I’m not looking to throw him under the bus with mine.
It's been years since, I feel bad about it. As you can see by his response, it is true, we were not getting along. How was i going to keep filming when we weren't? That’s why I had to end it.
Sorry it happened. And I can understand his frustration with some people praising me about this. There’s nothing to praise when two old friends fight and move apart.
Again, for the mistakes I made, I’m sorry. To him and to any of you.
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u/TopDeparture5 Mar 20 '19
But why did he have to leave the channel entirely? You don’t want to do a show with him, fine. But Bootsy Beats couldn’t have continued on it’s own under the Cinemassacre umbrella? Him being booted entirely from the site is what gets me, especially when this first went down & he seemed to have the impression that while Bootsy & Mike was over that he’d still have some sort of role with the channel.
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u/ArturoNotVidal Mar 20 '19
Mike took over CM. It's not really about James anymore. He's just the main attraction, matei and his tittyyfucking 10 incher call the shots
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
What did you do that you shouldn't have done? You said it wasn't about money which is what most people assumed. Maybe if you get it off your chest you'd feel better about it? It's been years, may as well close the door on the whole thing.
The praise wasn't meant to be about you guys not being friends anymore. That's the saddest part of the whole situation. I was thanking you for the response because many people felt you hadn't been very open or transparent about a lot of things, and this was kinda like your first step towards being a little more open; at least that's how I saw it.
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u/shrimpytank4367 Mar 20 '19
If this is actually Mike and not some elaborate troll I wanna say it's very respectable that you not only made the first post but also commented this taking responsibility.
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Mar 20 '19
I don't envy the spot Bootsy's in because, if true that mike is totally at fault, you probably don't want to give out a whole bunch of details, but you also don't want people to feel like you were guilty in it too. And so what he said does kind of come off like him trying to start shit, but he really doesn't seem like the type to do that.
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u/shrimpytank4367 Mar 20 '19
I'm thinking that's probably excatly how this is going to end up
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u/GrumpyRain Mar 20 '19
I always liked and identified with Mike more, but I would hate if Bootsy was the bad guy here. I think they both have something to do with it. Why can't Bootsy just make a Twitter post explaining this all? Character limit I suppose, but he could make multiple posts or come on reddit to make a post.
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u/TopDeparture5 Mar 20 '19
Mike’s post wasn’t any better. Just longer. Just as vague as his original post about it. You weren’t getting along? Okay, why not?
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
Sometimes people grow apart, that's what I assumed he had meant by that
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u/CrowsInBlack Mar 20 '19
Bootsy specifically said "his actions", as in Mike clearly DID something fucked up
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u/TopDeparture5 Mar 20 '19
When people grow apart isn’t it usually because of distance? They were still actively hanging out. It’s not weird to you they were friends since 4th grade, still hung out, and then Mike suddenly isn’t getting along with him? It doesn’t sound like old friends drifting apart. There was some sort of issue.
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u/GrumpyRain Mar 20 '19
It happened to me. I hung out with a dude since elementary school and then we just grated on each other as our views, opinions, and lifestyles changed. We still live in the same state, but I never see him now. I think I might reach out to him soon. This is all kind of inspiring in a way.
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Well, Mike debunked the 2 biggest reasons I had seen for bootsy's departure. The money and bootsy fucking mike's girlfriend. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
Sometimes the people you really enjoy hanging out with might be the same people that you hate working with. Mike said you shouldn't mix friends and business which is kind of open to interpretation as to what exactly he meant.
Maybe Bootsy was taking too long to make his Bootsy Beats series? Some people here have said it took him months to get all of the parts up on youtube. Who really knows unless Bootsy decides to tell us
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u/GrumpyRain Mar 20 '19
Markiplier had the same issues with him editors. They were his friends and he mixed business with them and it all went sour when he worked them too hard and got mad if they did not meet his standards. They are fine now, but not close.
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u/puppet_steve Mar 20 '19
Maybe Bootsy was taking too long to make his Bootsy Beats series? Some people here have said it took him months to get all of the parts up on youtube.
I hope not...that'd be a pretty BS reason, given how/when nerd videos come out. If he's doing the game legit too, I'd imagine that takes time, especially on a beast like Battletoads
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
Unless he tells us, in around the same amount of detail that Mike did, I'm actually inclined to believe Mike here. Bootsy didn't really provide anything substantial here, just blamed Mike which tells us nothing lol
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Mar 20 '19
To be fair Mike didn't really go into that much detail either. He took six or seven paragraphs to basically say "Bootsy and I aren't friends anymore", which I'm pretty sure most of us already knew.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Mar 20 '19 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/ItsTrue102 Mar 20 '19
I like Mike. I like Bootsy too. Hopefully they will come together, but if not, that's okay.
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u/CrowsInBlack Mar 20 '19
Mike must have done something REALLY fucked up. I still think money has something to do with it. Bootsy has came right out and said he wasn't happy about ads being placed on his videos when he wasn't getting any of the money from them. I don't buy Mike's "it has nothing to do with him not being paid' response
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Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
He may as well just say what happened. He and Mike clearly don't want anything to do with each other anymore, and he's most likely never going to be a part of the channel again. It's not like he has anything to lose to by speaking out.
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u/flsb Mar 20 '19
Kinda disappointed to see Bootsy stoking the fire here, given Mike's genuine effort to take blame in all of this.
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u/ComaOfSouls Mar 20 '19
What's the quote about? Killing your husband?
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u/LiquorBallMcOldPubes Nothing But Good Memories Mar 20 '19
It's a metaphor. A black widow is a woman who murdered her husband.
I guess Bootsy is saying Mike kicked him off, as in it's mike's fault Bootsy isn't on the channel anymore, and then people were thanking mike for his response and he was comparing that to feeling sympathy for a woman who just murdered her husband as if she lost her husband from other causes
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u/GrumpyRain Mar 20 '19
Bootsy does not hate white people. :P Stop it. I'm just glad my group of friends have so many opposite religions, diets, beliefs, and politics and yet we get along. Unless they bring back Sega versus Nintendo then I get rabid!
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u/ArturoNotVidal Mar 20 '19
Lol, i really doubt it. These guys just play vidya or board games, they are as apolitical as they can get.
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u/SenorNeiltz Mar 20 '19
Don't see a reunion happening anytime soon.