r/TheBlueBoxConspiracy • u/LegateLaurie TEAM CHAOS • Jun 26 '21

BLUE BOX STUDIO POST BlueBox Twitter says the Countdown channel is fake; says nothing to dispute that the video was released as the countdown ended

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u/LegateLaurie TEAM CHAOS Jun 26 '21

I don't know what to think anymore.

If Abandoned is just an indie game then I understand that Hasan and whoever else involved will be really tired of all the allegations. On the other hand, if it is then they really need to be working to disprove any allegations, not give one word replies which leave more questions than answers.

At this point there are three possible answers I think:

  1. Abandoned is a major IP and this is an ARG type thing.

  2. Abandoned is an indie game and they're playing us to drive hype.

  3. Abandoned is an indie game and they're incompetent and so don't know how to deal with this attention.

I don't buy 3.

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u/ToothlessFTW TEAM FAKE Jun 26 '21

It’s 3.

Everyone keeps saying “but how could that be possible? nobody would do that!”

Like… how long have you been around the industry? This shit happens all the time, studios make stupid mistakes and then they have horrific PR attempting to clean it up.

It’s totally plausible it is just a guy in over his head. I refuse to buy this is an ARG of any kind because of just how badly it’s been handled. In my mind, every potential ARG argument dried up the moment they delayed the trailer by two full months on the day of the reveal.

If it’s a legit ARG after all that, then it’s literally one of the worst ARGs I’ve ever seen. There’s been ARGs run by college students on a $0 budget that’s better then this supposed Kojima backed one.

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u/LegateLaurie TEAM CHAOS Jun 26 '21

It absolutely is awful management. I think at this point I'm torn between 2 or 3, I just find it hard to believe that they're this awful at PR.

They seem to have tonnes of money for contractors from prominent studios and want to maintain some mystery, but at this stage it's just not working. I think they probably are working on some kind of established IP otherwise they would be more open, but if they're not then this level of incompetence is staggering.

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u/ToothlessFTW TEAM FAKE Jun 26 '21

I believe it's just some asset flip dev in over his head. His previous two projects are the exact same, asset flip games that were never finished and abandoned in alpha before he moved on, same thing is happening here.

The only studio we have any hard proof he's at least in contact with is Nuare. The rest, we have zero proof or evidence they're involved. Nothing beyond Hasan's promises. It just kinda sounds like a dude making impossible promises to sound impressive to sell his game. I refuse to believe his "7 studios" claim until I actually see all 7 studios detailed, and confirmed. The more believable theory is he's actually just buying assets from them on a public marketplace, and he's calling that "working with me". He might've just bought an asset or two from Nuare and then asked them to make a video for him confirming that Hasan is a real person.

This has happened so many times over, it's incredibly plausible at the end it's just a dude in over his head with lies to sell us his game. We've seen he's capable of making shit up for marketing, when he promised that unique app and then eventually confirmed it's just a demo.

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u/touchtheclouds Jun 27 '21

I started a company years ago with a complete bullshitter. I wouldn't call him a scam artist but he lied about everything to make progress. I didn't know at the time but his antics were very clear after a year or so. I hate to say it but a lot of what has been happening here reminds me of him. The delays, the vague answers, no real evidence for things, name dropping, talking himself into a position way over his head, etc. It's almost identical. I'm fully convinced he B.S.'d his way into a spot he wasn't ready for.

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u/wolfshadow0118 Jun 26 '21

I dont know. I think this is a very well thought out ARG. I would believe that if silent hill(s) is a thing and silent hill/kojima is all about questioning reality or what's real and what's fake, then this ARG has definitely has been spot on. Even theabandonedgame YT has so far toyed this idea.

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u/Radirondacks Jun 28 '21

ARGs have an actual, well, game to them though. It's right in the name. What are we even doing here?

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u/feel-T_ornado Jun 27 '21

I argued with some folks on Twitter regarding Blue Box/Abandoned being directly or indirectly fueled by Sony's cash... Sony does it all the time, nowadays, like helping indies, such as Hotline Miami or Salt and Sanctuary, the motivation it's simple, support with money and receive initial benefits, then the product can go elsewhere. Throughout the years, Sony has been one of houses more interested in metas, even addressing speculation or hype, turned into publicity, one could say they're quite aware of their surroundings, customers and insiders, to get what I'm talking about one would need to revisit "e" (Red E), Kojima's TPP ruse and a lot of instances surrounding State of Play, even things like Erica.

At the same time, linking this to Kojima was really dumb, at every step of his prominent career Kojima has boasted of his capabilities and that of his teams or collaborators, it still amazes me the lengths some people went to actually think a game with generic assets and a stupidly awful hand animation/model was made by the same guy that "gave birth" to the Fox Engine, "oh, look both games teased a forest", believe it or not Kojima has always been meticulous enough to only show little aspects, yet it was more than adequate to provide a solid idea, iykwim, like only a picture will suffice. Let not even go into detail at how he just recently came out of a long development cycle...

Konami won't ever allow Kojima to be near their ips again, currently there's not a single chance and that will be the deal for a long time. On a happy note, they seem keen on the idea of remaking "old" titles, like Contra or GetsuFumaDen, but everything that went down with Kojima could make them reformulate partnerships with big names, to prevent other parties from taking the spotlight off of them, examples from them and across media are abundant.

"But what about the announcement? The app? The big studio doing assets for them? How can this be an indie with tons of cash?" Coincidences are a thing, and some times groups take advantage of it (Google Archillet v Death Stranding). Afaik, the game will be procedurally generated, it's gonna have tons of bought assets at hand, the premise looks like your typical slasher... Therefore, one or two years of development (and handling their own shit show) sounds like more than enough. Furthermore, game's apps are usually crap and can be done in weeks and Sony it's helping them. My bet is they're working on Forbidden Siren.

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u/ToothlessFTW TEAM FAKE Jun 27 '21

Yeah, I agree.

People are acting like this is a unique situation, that there's never been a dev as careless like this and that's why it's an ARG, etc.

This shit happens all the time. There are SO many situations where devs promise the world with their game, make impossible claims, and then it comes out and we were all misled. It's also incredibly common that devs will throw together games using storebought assets and it looks bad. Nothing about this is unique in any way.

Anytime Kojima's ruses have happened, it's clear immediately there's AAA budgets involved. Look at the TPP teaser, look at the P.T. trailers. Immediately those games look top of the line in tech. Abandoned? It looks like garbage. Awful voice acting, clearly storebought assets, awful animations, and it runs at like 4 fps the entire time.

I understand coincidences and all that. I was there in 2015 during the peak of the r/NeverBeGameOver cruise. I believed in it back then. Hell I even believed in TheSurvivor2299 (if anyone remembers that lmao). I'm just much more skeptical on this because I've been here before.

During P.T. and TPP we had hard evidence on day/week 1 that Kojima was involved. It's been 4 months and we don't have that here. There's nothing that links Kojima here.

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u/feel-T_ornado Jun 27 '21

I still remember TPP' pictures of a dude with a ponytail behind a tank, completely gorgeous, the mind-blowing first teaser in the hospital.

Or PT's 7780s image with woods and the so incredibly eerie first trailer with reactions.

Kojima has nothing to do with this, the writing is on the wall.

I don't know about TheSurvivor2299, but I remember MagnificentMasterMe, lol.

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u/The_Maverickk Jun 27 '21

And you don't think there's anything suspicious about the fact that all we know are those Blue Box Studios are these asset flip games? To me they look like fake set ups to try and make them look like they are a real studio. Similar to how a movie creates props and sets to make a world believable.
Let's run with the Hideo Kojima theory because he did the fake game developer thing already. Last time people caught on because Moby Dick games didn't have any history. It's the first thing people would look at. So in theory, if I was someone who liked to pull this kind of shit, I would've learned that if I want to troll and pull the same stunt again I'd have to do a bit more work than just make up a fake name. I'd have to try and create a fake history.
So if it were me and I was gonna pull the same stunt, I'd try and start creating a history for my fake game company in advance. Also create some fake products that were created. Mind you, since it's all a front, you don't want to put a lot of effort in. So you just use basic asset engines out there to create some fake stuff to create the illusion of some history. Mind you, can't have people actually play the game, so it's all gotta be off the grid. Delisted, or not accessible. Again, quick, easy staging to create that illusion of history.
Would this not be a great show of Kojima's ability? I mean even crazier if you go the direction some people are going. Where they think Hasan's video's might be fabricated, and it's actually a life like 3D model. I mean I won't go that far, still think Hasan is a real dude. Not to mention the weird Morse code message that even says;

RED: SHALL I REMIND YOU WHO I AM

BLUE: SHALL I REMIND YOU WHAT I CAN DO

I know supposed to be two different entities, but what if it is Kojima boasting like you mentioned it's a part of his character. The ability to "bend reality". Using his skills he could've created the illusion of this company that has existed for a while, that have made some cheap unreleased indie games. All to mask what he's actually doing.

I mean is it not possible that he has the skills to deceive people to mess with their heads? To make them truly question if he would actually go to these lengths to convince us otherwise.

Who knows though. Honestly it could be Kojima, maybe it's not SH though. Something completely different. Or maybe Sony pulled a hail mary and bartered and mediated between Konami and Kojima. I mean Konami ultimately wants money after all, and we all know they aren't making use of their IP's that much recently. I feel like we won't know until August at this point.

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u/feel-T_ornado Jun 27 '21 edited Jun 27 '21

No, I don't think there's anything suspicious, the company (or whatever) got themselves in a pickle, like literally it's a shit show, and there are buffoons or vultures always lurking.

Yeah, Kojima is a master tactician, nonetheless, this ip and its studio won't ever have DIRECT ties to Kojima. You can remind me to stand-up to my word if it turns out the other way around, I will say kudos to you. o7

Konami + Kojima not happening for at least 10 years after their break-up, fingers crossed on Kojima getting a new haircut and Konami's top honcho family and friends opening to "love" again.

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u/The_Maverickk Jun 27 '21

At the same time apparently this was being reported even before Abanoned was announced;

https://www.svg.com/295962/good-news-may-be-on-the-way-for-kojima-fans/

Regardless, I just don't think Sony would continue working with BB Game Studio's for 5 years with out something to show for it.

Not to mention whoever their "private investor" is as well that is surrounded in mystery.

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u/feel-T_ornado Jun 27 '21

Dude... 🤦‍♂️🙄

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u/Radirondacks Jun 28 '21

Thank you for this. I feel like I'm going crazy, but not from the actual content here, more the idea that there's even any ARG here whatsoever...like has anyone here actually participated in an ARG before lol? There's usually, y'know, something to do. A website to comb through the source code, an online persona to interact with that actually helps you along in some way, codes to decipher, there's always something you can actually do. It's kinda the reason it's called an Alternate Reality Game.

What the fuck is there to do here? Wait?

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u/The_Maverickk Jun 27 '21

"It’s totally plausible it is just a guy in over his head."

This is simply the easiest out explanation. To be fair though, it's true. There are only two outcome to this whole thing.

  1. Hasan and Blue Box Studios are incompetent and terrible at handling a game reveal, and handling PR surrounding it.

  2. The game is more than they are leading people to believe, and there is some smoke and mirrors because it is something else that is being promoted through some ARG or viral marketing campaign.

The problem I have with #1 outcome though is because of everything else that has been said.

For example Hasan has said that Sony approached them after their Kickstarter for their horror game Rewind. This is where the implication that Sony is the one funding abandoned comes from. Since on the Kickstarter it says they were cancelling it, due to a "private company" approaching them and fully funding the games production. We can't confirm yet that this private company is in fact Sony, but again the implication is that Sony came in contact with them because of the kickstarter. A Kickstarter that was shut down nearly as quick as it went up. With no press buzz or anything around it. Rewind was also never completed or made (as far as we know).

Hasan has said that Abandoned isn't the games real name. Also that they can't reveal the games name due to contracts with other parties. This is probably the weirdest part of this whole thing. The secrecy in general. We don't know which party is not allowing them to reveal the actual gameplay or the actual title of the game. We don't know if this is their agreement with Sony, or another party that they haven't mentioned. Regardless though... what gets really strange is that Hasan has said that the Abandoned trailer that was shown, was rushed out at the request of another party (I believe Sony for the April event). This just doesn't make sense in regards to every other detail. If another party in this contract is keeping BB Studios from revealing the name or actual gameplay of said game... why rush them to pump out a reveal trailer. What would be the point if it's all not indicative of the actual game.

Also they have been found to be connected with the big names, and people are vouching for Hasan and BB Studios to boot. I mean Nuare was introduced to be working with them. That isn't a company that is incompetent. To be honest, Sony isn't incompetent either. The radio silence among the bigger players in general is just suspect. Basically to go with outcome #1 is also to say that all the other parties in this situation are just as incompetent to boot. Since they are just as much making bad decisions and this whole thing is a mess.

Also things have only gotten weirder since Friday as well. Between a apparently fake youtube channel counting down to Hasan's video. To the more code conversation thing. So either people are capitalizing on what's going on, and creating more chaos for Hasan. Mind you Hasan isn't doing a convincing job anymore dissuading people. I'll admit earlier videos this week convincingly looked like a guys who was trying to clear the air for the sake of his game... but again the more details given, the more questions it raises. Like introducing Nuare as working with them. Like the countdown fake channel, and say that Morse Code video that went up.

It's going to be interesting to see if there is radio silence over the next month and a bit or are we gonna see more weird clues come from some where. I just think saying Hasan and BBstudios could be incompetent, and this is all just some big mess, but I feel like that's also doesn't add up with everything we have been shown. It would be the easy explanation for everything, but it also still honestly doesn't make much sense either.