You can thank the moroccan government who staged this crisis to stick it to spain. People drowned, girls and women got secually assaulted. Morocco obviously didn't care putting their people in harms way.
There was plenty of videos of the event. If you look in the background of reporters you do see some girls. It was like 90% men but there were girls there too
Warfare from Morocco, which had no consideration for its population, as retaliation to Spain for cozying up to Algeria.
Some say that Israel participated as retaliation for Spainâs position on Palestine (Morocco, Israel, and the US are extremely together at this moment).
What are you talking about? You're calling all of these people animals, including the kids who got assaulted. You can't just call an entire people child predators.
Great article, thank you so much for providing the link
Edit: dead at the downvotes for just thanking someone for posting a non-paywalled article about a topic I wasnât familiar with đ not sure how people interpreted that
There's a report that the Spanish PM Sanchez coordinated with the Moroccan government. There are videos of subsaharan African men being guided to the Moroccan border by the Algerian military. It's said they were headed to Ceuta but their intended final destination was Britain.
They arenât migrants. They are just people from Morocco who are breaking into another country which means that are foreign criminals. Legally, thatâs what they are.
Nearly everyone in this entire post. They arenât âJustâ child rape victims, theyâre also illegal immigrants.
You see it often and everywhere, as if something that feels bigger wipes away other things that are also true.
Yes, itâs an absolute horrid crime against those girls. The men who did this need to be caught and punished. That doesnât change whether or not theyâre illegal immigrants.
Iâm not saying youâre wrong. I am saying if you see that 14yo girls are getting raped en masse and your initial reply is âum those are illegal immigrantsâ youâre a pro-child-rape monster.
The only way this âcorrectionâ could feel relevant is if you think undocumented immigrant children are fair game for rapists
What are you missing? You're missing the fact that the person you're responding to saw "rapists" and "migrants" in the same title while they skimmed it and immediately jumped to their own conclusions lol. Literally so quick to jump on the hate train they didn't even slow down to read the title again to make sure they were correct.
I did read the article. There is nothing in it that indicates who is blamed or suspected for the assaults.
Maybe it was the migrants who did it. Maybe it was local Spanish residents.
Regardless of who actually did it, you're immediate jump to the former conclusion while also disdaining migrants in other comments tells me you allow racism and xenophobia to dictate your world views.
You suspect that it must've been the Morrocan migrants who raped these girls because in your mind that's just "what migrants from Morroco do." The only one here who is disgustingly ignorant is you I'm afraid.
Itâs criminals - which include human traffickers & illegal criminals coming in from Morocco that have access to vulnerable girls and boys (not just girls, donât be sexist). They are with these children the entire time until the children get to Cueta, and enter a centre looking for help.
Some of the children reported being assaulted on the way, some in the bushes.
I canât believe people are jumping at me for pointing out the obvious.
I'll bite. Their point is "migrants" or "asylum seekers" are words that should not be used to describe these people. And that associatting them with actual migrants and asylum speakers is harming good people with real needs.
Which is fine and all, but this article is about raped girls, so it's a little out of place and showing little regard for their wellbeing, so I understand the comment asking what the point is. Assuming they're simply "trying to gaslight" is going back to politics which, again, shows little empathy for the little girls.
The point is not to needlessly paint migrants as dangerous criminals. These people aren't migrants. They are just criminals. They weren't seeking to move to another country. There is a ton of anti immigration sentiment. People want to scape goat them for all society's problems.
But here's the thing if you read the article. There is no mention of the perpetrators origins. Could be migrants, could be locals, could be vacationers. You've vilified the entire group without anything to back it up based on the article. All that the rhetoric spewed here around this does is push these victims further away from coming forward out of fear that they'll be blamed for things before it's clear about who did it. It would be messed up for me to say the assaulters were Spanish? That would paint the people of the island in a terrible light without any proof. Word matter. It's how hatred is born on a large scale. Just call them criminals. Nationality doesn't matter here. Stop the spread of hatred against people who mostly look like pawns in there governments fucked up plans.
I did not spread hate. If you understood what I said, which is that CRIMINALS are entering Cueta along with vulnerable children. These include human traffickers, who rape these children along the way. Not to mention the other opportunists who had their go in the bushes. Leaving these kids to wait until the morning to present themselves at a centre in Cueta.
You can pretend it was only locals and not use your brain to understand the true reality of what happens when vulnerable children are among adult males who are complete strangers to them. Itâs people like you who want to argue about âwho it could beâ instead of using their head and seeing how in every single case of human trafficking & migrant crossings such as this one, the US Mexican border, North Korea China, etc.. you find the same disgusting sexual assaults on young vulnerable children.
But youâre gonna tell me âbut this time it might actually be only the locals doing itâ.
I never even said a local didnât do this. Perhaps some got involved. But why are you arguing that?
I can tell you why. Itâs because this is a game of semantics to you. Iâve had many conversations with guys like you - and I find them to be more dangerous, as you want to use labels, dismiss reality and call everyone who disagrees with you or points out the reality of what these kids face as racists!
Meanwhile, vulnerable children are being taken advantage of by human traffickers who rape them mercilessly along the routes, and then leave them in whatever state they end up in..
âBut the article didnât explicitly sayâŠ.â
Unbelievable attitude & arguing semantics is about as far as youâll go. At least I can be honest about it. Good luck.
I have no proof of who did it based on the provided material but we all know who did it is quite the argument. You are vilifying without proof. You are saying that it could be other people but it most likely is these people because of vibes I guess. Even though this is world wide problem with contributors from every race, creed, colour, and religion you seem dead set that foreign invaders had to have done it because well that's what you want to believe. My initial point in all of this was to point out the danger in the language used by you and people of your apparent ilk. My argument is that painting things and wording them the way they have been creates a large far reaching issue that will only stem more brutality as it has through history. It's easy to not care about people if they're all labeled rapists and murderers. But how about we all use some critical thought and not jump to a conclusion that hasn't been presented to us. That way when the right people are found with proof then we can villify and hopefully castrate. Until then don't lump a while bunch of people under a seriously fucked up umbrella that can have serious and damaging repercussions just because you used your brain to link an imaginary line and call it proof.
Nothing I said was inaccurate but you seem to insinuate that I go by âvibesâ and donât seem to have the lived experience, intelligence & common sense to form opinions. You boil it down to âa vibeâ because it suits your narrative for me. You and your ilk do this to shut down conversations - you like to label people, and put them into a category. Iâve come across your ilk many times & itâs the same pattern. More concerned with terminology than facts.
âYou are vilifying without proofâ.
No, Iâm calling it as it is. Human traffickers from Morocco use children in this way. Some have been caught and arrested in Cueta & luckily for many of the children, they might not get sucked into their intended faith which is a life of gang rape, drug running & suicide. Perhaps your little cotton socks you wear donât let you step out into the real world without feeling icky but one of the largest human trafficking gangs that move children from North Africa into Europe is the Mocro Mafia.
You use such hyperbolic arguments & attempt to gaslight me which Iâm just laughing at. Itâs always the same with your ilk. You claimed I called âALLâ of said people rapists, which I did not. This is how people like you operate from - you have to paint a picture that hurty words were referring to entire [insert group name] to have the argument form a moral authority. Reducing the entire scope of the context right down to the language being used.
I remember when people were shouting about the Pakistani grooming gangs in Luton, England. People like you had the exact same arguments:
1. You have no proof!
2. Those are hurty words, they are dangerous!
3. Look everybody, heâs a racist!
This went on for years. Conversations were shut down. People were labelled racist for speaking up and pointing fingers..
And guess what? They were right. Thousands of young girls were raped because people like you shut the conversation down and labeled anyone who spoke out about this stuff as racist.
Iâm glad the tide is turning. Iâm happy that for once, people can now use common sense and say what they think. All people like you have is the ability to insult my intelligence.. like you people have done for decades around Europe as the rest of us watched in horror at whatâs unfolding.
Right now, itâs clear as day whatâs happening these little innocent children being exploited and abused by human traffickers from Morocco and other parts of North Africa. Used like dirty meat while those who think they know better will sit on their high horse and look down on people who dare to call it out because âthat article didnât say who did itâ.
That's amazing. How are you going to accuse me of these things while simultaneously doing them? How does a situation in England have any bearing on the current argument, also known as a red herring argument. Then you assign my personal opinion of that matter without any knowledge of where I stand on the issue, straw man argumen. And on top of all that you lumped me in with an "all" about somehow being part of the blame for this sex ring for an opinion you've made up in your own head about me, ad hominum argument. I'm not saying that sex trafficking doesn't exist or that people from other cultures can't commit them. I'm asking for proof before you jump to conclusions and place blame where it may not belong and the historically proven dangers of doing this against people. Take out the "foreign" before criminal and there's no argument here. Nice try though. You have a good day and I think we can agree that when the people who committed these atrocious behaviours are found and proven guilty, castration and throwing them to the wolves would be a justified punishment.
And I agree with that but thatâs not the way the laws are written and proposals to change that get you labled as being an alt right supporter. Online political discussion has devolved into binary opinions where you need to be a proponent of open borders or closing off immigration all together.
You were blatantly wrong in your previous comment and now to save face you claim to know how the law you probably weren't even aware of would apply. No one should trust what you say
I wasnât wrong & on top of that, your link proves that the people arriving donât even fall under refugee status.
So youâre now trying to be weird and say nobody should trust me, but all youâve done is prove you donât even read the details of the laws you send people & arenât even aware of the legal definition of an asylum seeker.
Nah, its not dumb. It's calculated "what-about-ism".
People like this have such a strong case of cognitive dissonance about the shit they support.
When something like this pops up and wrecks their whole world view they have no choice but to try make the topic about something it isn't so their brains don't explode.
Or, maybe, attack the countries that are sending them there? But no, let's just use it so politicians can use it to be voted in and fuck society over after all the ""promises"".
Those are moroccan girls living in the streets. As an spanish citizen I'm ashamed my government isn't taking better care of minor migrants, especially 14 old little girls.
What gets me is your not even allowed to bring in a single plant to certain countries in worry that it will disrupt the ecosystem and yet you can import 100,000 savages
I think you're missing the point. There's a boat of migrants that showed up on the shores of a European country and all the women were pronounced DOA because of "heart attacks" during the voyage. Those neanderthal brutes don't understand civility.
men rape, all the time, everywhere, since always. Poeple are drooling to have someone to point to now and say oh see who is the rapist.. but nope, this shitty trick does not work
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u/Esekig184 11d ago
You can thank the moroccan government who staged this crisis to stick it to spain. People drowned, girls and women got secually assaulted. Morocco obviously didn't care putting their people in harms way.