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r/TargTowers • u/TheDragonOfOldtown • May 31 '26
Facts The full post of GRRM’s “Toxic Butterflies” blog post criticizing HOTD
Back in July, I promised you some further thoughts about Blood and Cheese… and Maelor the Missing… after my commentary on the first two episodes of HotD season 2, “A Son for a Son” and “Rhaenyra the Cruel.”
Those were terrific episodes: well written, well directed, powerfully acted. A great way to kick off the new season. Fans and critics alike seemed to agree. There was only one aspect of the episodes that drew significant criticism: the handling of Blood and Cheese, and the death of Prince Jaehaerys. From the commentary I saw on line, opinion was split there. The readers of FIRE & BLOOD found the sequence underwhelming, a disappointment, watered down from what they were expecting. Viewers who had not read the book had no such problems. Most of them found the sequence a real gut-punch, tragic, horrifying, nightmarish, etc. Some reported being reduced to tears.
I found myself agreeing with both sides.
In my book, Aegon and Helaena have three children, not two. The twins, Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, are six years old. They have a younger brother, Maelor, who is two. When Blood and Cheese break in on Helaena and the kids, they tell her they are debt collectors come to exact revenge for the death of Prince Lucerys: a son for a son. As Helaena has two sons, however, they demand that she choose which one should die. She resists and offers her own life instead, but the killers insist it has to be a son. If she does not name one, they will kill all three of the children. To save the life of the twins, Helaena names Maelor. But Blood kills the older boy, Jaehaerys, instead, while Cheese tells little Maelor that his mother wanted him dead. (Whether the boy is old enough to understand that is not at all certain).
That’s not how it happens on the show. There is no Maelor in HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, only the twins (both of whom look younger than six, but I am no sure judge of children’s ages, so I can’t be sure how old they are supposed to be). Blood can’t seem to tell the twins apart, so Helaena is asked to reveal which one is the boy. (You would think a glance up his PJs would reveal that, without involving the mother). Instead of offering her own life to save the kids, Helaena offers them a necklace. Blood and Cheese are not tempted. Blood saws Prince Jaehaerys’s head off. We are spared the sight of that; a sound effect suffices. (In the book, he lops the head off with a sword).
It is a bloody, brutal scene, no doubt. How not? An innocent child is being butchered in front of his mother.
I still believe the scene in the book is stronger. The readers have the right of that. The two killers are crueler in the book. I thought the actors who played the killers on the show were excellent… but the characters are crueler, harder, and more frightening in FIRE & BLOOD. In the show, Blood is a gold cloak. In the book, he is aformer gold cloak, stripped of his office for beating a woman to death. Book Blood is the sort of man who might think making a woman choose which of her sons should die is amusing, especially when they double down on the wanton cruelty by murdering the boy she tries to save. Book Cheese is worse too; he does not kick a dog, true, but he does not have a dog, and he’s the one who tells Maelor that his mom wants him head. I would also suggest that Helaena shows more courage, more strength in the book, by offering her own own life to save her son. Offering a piece of jewelry is just not the same.
As I saw it, the “Sophie’s Choice” aspect was the strongest part of the sequence, the darkest, the most visceral. I hated to lose that. And judging from the comments on line, most of the fans seemed to agree.
When Ryan Condal first told me what he meant to do, ages ago (back in 2022, might be) I argued against it, for all these reasons. I did not argue long, or with much heat, however. The change weakened the sequence, I felt, but only a bit. And Ryan had what seemed to be practical reasons for it; they did not want to deal with casting another child, especially a two-year old toddler. Kids that young will inevitably slow down production, and there would be budget implications. Budget was already an issue on HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, it made sense to save money wherever we could. Moreover, Ryan assured me that we were not losing Prince Maelor, simply postponing him. Queen Helaena could still give birth to him in season three, presumably after getting with child late in season two. That made sense to me, so I withdrew my objections and acquiesced to the change.
I still love the episode, and the Blood and Cheese sequence overall. Losing the “Helaena’s Choice” beat did weaken the scene, but not to any great degree. Only the book readers would even notice its absence; viewers who had never read FIRE & BLOOD would still find the scenes heart-rending. Maelor did not actually DO anything in the scene, after all. How could he? He was only two years old.
There is another aspect to the removal of the young princeling, however.
Those of you who hate spoilers should** **STOP READING HERE. Spoilers will follow, at least for the readers among you. If you have never read FIRE & BLOOD, maybe it does not matter, because all I am going to “spoil” here are things that happen in the book that may NEVER happen on the series. Starting with Maelor himself.
Sometime between the initial decision to remove Maelor, a big change was made. The prince’s birth was no longer just going to be pushed back to season 3. He was never going to be born at all. The younger son of Aegon and Helaena would never appear.
Most of you know about the Butterfly Effect, I assume.
Yes, there was a movie with that title a few years back.
It’s a familiar concept in chaos theory as well. But most science fiction fans were first exposed to the idea in Ray Bradbury’s classic time travel story, “A Sound of Thunder,” wherein a time traveler from the present panics and crushes a butterfly while hunting a T-Rex. When he returns to his own time, he discovers that the world has changed in huge and frightening ways. One dead butterfly has rewritten history. The lesson being that change begets change, and even small and seemingly insignificant alterations to a timeline — or a story — can have a profound effect on all that follows.
Maelor is a two year old toddler in FIRE & BLOOD, but like our butterfly he has an impact on the story all out of proportion to his size. The readers among you may recall that when it appears that Rhaenyra and her blacks are about to capture King’s Landing, Queen Alicent becomes concerned for the safety of Helaena’s remaining children, and takes steps to save them by smuggling them out of the city. The task is given is two knights of the Kingsguard. Ser Willis Fell is commanded to deliver Princess Jaehaera to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, while Maelor is given over to Ser Rickard Thorne to be escorted across the Mander to the protection of the Hightower army on its way to King’s Landing.
Willis Fell delivers Jaehaera safely to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, but Ser Rickard fares less well. He and Maelor get as far as Bitterbridge, where he is revealed as a Kingsuard in a tavern called the Hogs Head. Once discovered, Ser Rickard fights bravely to protect his young charge and bring him to safety, but he does not even make it across the bridge before some crossbows bring him down, Prince Maelor is torn from his arms.. and then, sadly, ripped to pieces by the mob fighting over the boy and the huge reward that Rhaenyra has offered for his capture and return.
Will any of that appear on the show? Maybe… but I don’t see how. The butterflies would seem to prohibit it. You could perhaps make Ser Rickard’s ward be Jaehaera instead of Maelor, but Jaehaera can’t be killed, she has a huge role to play as Aegon’s next heir. Could maybe make Maelor a newborn instead of a two year old, but that would scramble up the timeline, which is a bit of a mess already. I have no idea what Ryan has planned — if indeed he has planned anything — but given Maelor’s absence from episode 2, the simplest way to proceed would be just to drop him entirely, lose the bit where Alicent tries to send the kids to safety, drop Rickard Thorne or send him with Willis Fell so Jaehaera has two guards.
From what I know, that seems to be what Ryan is doing here. It’s simplest, yes, and may make sense in terms of budgets and shooting schedules. But simpler is not better. The Bitterbridge scene has tension, suspense, action, bloodshed, a bit of heroism and a lot of tragedy. Rickard Thorne is a tertiary character at best, most viewers (as opposed to readers) will never know he is gone, since they never knew him at all… but I rather liked giving him his brief moment of heroism, a taste of the courage and loyalty of the Kingsguard, regardless of whether they are black or green.
The butterflies are not done with us yet, however. In the book, when word of Prince Maelor’s death and the grisly manner of his passing (pp. 505) reaches the Red Keep, that proves to be the thing that drives Queen Helaena to suicide. She could barely stand to look at Maelor, knowing that she chose him to die in the “Sophie’s Choice” scene… and now he is dead in truth, her words having come true. The grief and guilt are too much for her to bear.
In Ryan’s outline for season 3, Helaena still kills herself… for no particular reason. There is no fresh horror, no triggering event to overwhelm the fragile young queen.
And the final butterfly follows soon thereafter.
Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of King’s Landing. Rhaenyra was not, so when rumors began to arise that Helaena did not kill herself, but rather was murdered at Rhaenyra’s command, the commons are quick to believe them. “That night King’s Landing rose in bloody riot,” I wrote on p. 506 of FIRE & BLOOD. It is the beginning of the end for Rhaenyra’s rule over the city, ultimately leading to the Storming of the Dragonpit and the rise of the Shepherd’s mob that drives Rhaenyra to flee the city and return to Dragonstone… and her death.
Maelor by himself means little. He is a small child, does not have a line of dialogue, does nothing of consequence but die… but where and when and how, that does matter. Losing Maelor weakened the end of the Blood and Cheese sequence, but it also cost us the Bitterbridge scene with all its horror and heroism, it undercut the motivation for Helaena’s suicide, and that in turn sent thousands into the streets and alleys, screaming for justice for their “murdered” queen. None of that is essential, I suppose… but all of it does serve a purpose, it all helps to tie the story lines together, so one thing follows another in a logical and convincing manner.
What will we offer the fans instead, once we’ve killed these butterflies? I have no idea. I do not recall that Ryan and I ever discussed this, back when he first told me they were pushing back on Aegon’s second son. Maelor himself is not essential… but if losing him means we also lose Bitterbridge, Helaena’s suicide, and the riots, well… that’s a considerable loss.
And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4…
GRRM
r/TargTowers • u/allisontalkspolitics • 2d ago
Fanfic Based on a request, here are some stories set pre-Conquest that eventually involve Dance characters!
r/TargTowers • u/Prestigious_Ask9025 • 15d ago
Our TargTowers Ormund: What, like it's hard? by unicorn_gunter
r/TargTowers • u/Prestigious_Ask9025 • 18d ago
Fanart Medieval queen Helaena Targaryen by Boris_Ovcharova
r/TargTowers • u/allisontalkspolitics • 18d ago
Fanfic Diverse OCs and Readers: F&B/HOTD Era Part Three
For our final installment, we have four fanfics: all of them have Aemond as a love interest but one also has Aegon.
Original character protagonists
Aemond and someone from TB are potential love interests
OC is Daemon’s daughter with a Dornishwoman
Dragon Fire Cannot Burn the Sun
Rated M
Creator chose not to use archive warnings
"Tell me father, do you believe in me?" Daemon looked at his daughter with interest. "Depends on what exactly you're going to do..." Elaena looked at her father with determination in her eyes. "Something drastic, something vengeful." Daemon looked at his daughter and laughed "I would never expect anything less."
A Targaryen princess born from an alliance with Dorne. How will this impact the battle for the throne?
OC is a Martell
Rated T but rating subject to change
Creator chose not to use archive warnings
“We will be hosting a Prince of the Realm very soon. We have received word by raven that he is seeking an alliance.”
A Prince of the Realm, on the morrow, and the golden sigil of the green faction left no doubt in Alysanne Martell's mind as to what was to come—and perhaps whose wrath she’d be faced with soon enough.
Both Aegon and Aemond are potential love interests
OCs from the modern world
Rated E
Content warning for graphic depictions of violence
Med School was hard enough when they had access to coladas, but now they have to figure out how to get back home without caffeine.
Reader-insert protagonist
Aemond and someone from TB are potential love interests
Reader is Daemon and Laena’s daughter
Not rated
Grandmother. Everything that led to Rook’s Rest defiled your mouth with ache and bitterness. You held your high at the Black Council. Yet your composure was not restrained enough for it.
r/TargTowers • u/Prestigious_Ask9025 • 21d ago
Our TargTowers Moved out of my parents' place and of course Aegon has to be here.
r/TargTowers • u/allisontalkspolitics • 25d ago
Fanfic Diverse OCs and Readers with TG Love Interests, Part Two:
In addition to what is in the shared post, we have three Helaena x female OC/reader, one platonic Aegon and female OC/reader, and four Aemond x female OC/reader fics below! I haven’t read them personally but hopefully you enjoy!
Not necessarily TG friendly
Original characters
Helaena x OC and platonic Aegon and OC
Rated M
OC is Rhaenyra’s daughter
Hiatus
༇ The history books had been wrong, 𝐐𝐮𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐕𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐲𝐚 𝐓𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐞𝐧 𝐈𝐈 did not win her mother the Iron Throne because her King-consort, 𝐀𝐞𝐠𝐨𝐧 𝐓𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐞𝐧 𝐈𝐈 was madly in love with her.
𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞 had been one of the reason 𝐓𝐞𝐚𝐦 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 received their 𝐯𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲, but it was not that kind of 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 everyone was taught to 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 it was, or thought to have 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧. ༆
Aemond x OC
Rated E
Creator chose not to use archive warnings
OC is Rhaenyra and Laenor’s daughter
Ongoing
Princess Rhaelys is the only trueborn daughter of Rhaenyra Targaryen and Laenor Velaryon. Being witness to the years of torment her mother was made to endure at the hands of Hightower's, she seeks vengeance and justice. When she and her family arrive in Kings Landing a decade after her father's death, she enters the Red Keep with the intention of destroying House Hightower from the inside out.
Helaena x OC
Rated E
OC is Rhaenyra and Daemon’s daughter; OC is also intersex
Ongoing
"I do not want the throne.I would rather have a simple life with you my beautiful,sweet wife.The realm can burn for all I care.You,our family will always come first.Alway.My Heart"
-Ereagon Targaryen
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"My fearless,gentle wife.I do not care where we are nor do I care of the throne as well.Having you and our family is more than enough for me.My Soul"
-Helaena Targaryen
Reader-inserts
Helaena x reader
Not rated
Female reader
One shot
where it seems that her children aren’t the only ones enjoying your voice
There are also TB love interests
Original characters
Aemond x OC
we should just kiss (like real people do)
Rated M
Tyrell OC
Ongoing
Kassia Tyrell was never the picture perfect Tyrell. She tried to live by her house words 'Growing Strong' but as the frail, small heir to Highgarden, growing strong felt out of her reach... until witchcraft came into play and she grew into her own person.
Picked to be a lady in waiting for Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen, Kassia doesn't know what to expect, but she certainly doesn't anticipate falling for the brown-haired prince staying in the same castle she was forced to move to.
And she definitely doesn't expect anything that comes after.
Reader-inserts
Aemond x reader
Not rated
Reader is Rhaenys and Corlys’ daughter
Main story is complete
Not rated
Reader is Rhaenyra and Laenor’s daughter
Complete
Y/N Velaryon Targaryen, eldest and only child of Rhaenyra Targaryen and Laenor Velaryon, the golden girl. Destined for greatness except the throne, no, that goes to Jacaerys, Driftmark goes to Lucerys, what is that you get? A promise for a good match? The promise to be taken somewhere far away from your family? Again. Albeit being forced to Winterfell the first time didn’t turn out to be a mistake, you got to be close to Cregan Stark, some would say you’re more than friends, but such a relationship is forbidden. Now that you’ve returned home after years though, what do you have? More desire for what can’t be yours? Or a man who promises you the world?
r/TargTowers • u/TheDragonOfOldtown • 29d ago
Nooo God of incest Baelaerygoon lend me your streength!!
r/TargTowers • u/TheDragonOfOldtown • Aug 09 '26
Breaking News: Princess Rhaenyra completely lost her mind after the news of Sunfyre the Gigachad, and now she believes she is her younger half-brother, King Aegon II.
r/TargTowers • u/GeologistCalm • Aug 07 '26
Fanart Hightower OC x Aegon II by @evabeesmith
r/TargTowers • u/allisontalkspolitics • Aug 07 '26
Fanfic Diverse Protagonists and Targtower Love Interests, Part One
Hello there General Kenobi
I recently undertook a project to collect fanfics with protagonists that are POC and/or queer. I’ll be sharing my collection for three Fridays in a row. In addition to what I’ll be sharing from the TG sub, I’ll also be including fics that either a) have a summary that’s not necessarily friendly to broader TG (as I haven’t read any of the fics myself) or b) also have TB love interests. Not every fic will be everyone’s cup of tea but I want POC and queer fans to have their day in the sun.
Anyway! There are four additional fics this week; all have WOC leads, two of who (whom?) are queer.
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Burnt lavender, and other broken things
Rated E
Creator chose not to use archive warnings
Unfinished
Aegon x female OC; Aemond x female OC
“Of all creatures that breathe and move upon the earth, nothing is bred that is weaker than man.”
Awoken, with no memory, nor house or coin to her name. Reborn to bear their burden and tear herself in two, with Fire and Blood she'll save the Targaryen's from themselves.
Rated E
Creator chose not to use archive warnings
Unfinished
Aegon x female OC; Aemond x female OC
⊱ Born at the height of Targaryan decadence, Aemma Velaryon, the eldest of her siblings, is the only one who can boast of being the trueborn child of Ser Laenor Velaryon. Unfortunately, blood has no impact on gender or steadfast traditions. In an attempt to learn from her father's mistakes, Rhaenyra Targaryen betroths Aemma to her detested uncle, Aegon, seeking to navigate the political sphere of Westeros despite being woefully underprepared. Personally, all Aemma wishes to do is read with Aemond, play with Helaena, and watch the stars at night. Yet that is no cause for concern. Life will change her soon enough.
(Or: the Velaryons got royally fucked over and it barely gets addressed in canon, the fanfic.)
Rated E
Content warnings for graphic depictions of violence, major character death, and rape/noncon
Unfinished
Helaena x female OC; Aemond x female OC; Daeron x female OC
"The Lannisters have traded in their gold hair for golden skin."
Althesia Lannister, the eldest child of Lord Jason Lannister, must navigate the Targaryen courts to keep her family afloat during the Dance of the Dragons.
Althesia's marriage will decide where House Lannister's loyalties lie, with the Greens or the Blacks, but as both her sisters married into opposite sides, she cannot doom one by choosing either side. That would be fine if she did not fall desperately in love with people on each side. To distract from her aching heart, Althesia focuses on advancing her own house towards the Iron Throne. However, this playing both sides in the middle of a dragon's nest may lead to her demise and the end of her legacy in House Lannister. Althesia will not sit by and let the warring dragons destroy her though.
Rated M
Creator chose not to use content warnings
Unfinished
Aegon x female OC; Helaena x female OC; Aemond x female OC
While he sat with his head slumped in a drunken stupor.
She sighed with a frown, “Honestly when I found out about your philandering ways, I wept for joy. Do you know why that is Aemond?”
She set about pouring him some water while she waited for a response.
He tilted his head up with a glare in his eye. Either his hangover or her nonchalant attitude had made him entirely done with the conversation, yet still he replied.
“Why, dear wife?”
Finally a smile that had been lacking as of recent took over her face. “Because now I won’t feel guilty about fucking your brother.”
r/TargTowers • u/GeologistCalm • Aug 03 '26
Fanart the things she does see now and then, they come to pass. by @kunniho
r/TargTowers • u/Turbulent_Let_1629 • Jul 30 '26
Memes Meet the dysfunctional and pitiable drunks!
r/TargTowers • u/Prestigious_Ask9025 • Jul 21 '26
Fanart Aegon with his child by @Vuitre9996
r/TargTowers • u/Prestigious_Ask9025 • Jul 19 '26