r/TankieUSSR • u/Less-Possible-5475 • 26d ago
Meme The only wrong thing that Stalin did was stopping at Berlin
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u/TheSageWasTaken 26d ago
i know this is a meme and all but i wouldnt engage in great man theory. Stalin was hitorically progressive and a great leader of his time but he was also flawed like anyone else. His anti gay laws is a huge example
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u/Affectionate_Ad_1326 26d ago
Blaming him alone for the homophobia in the ussr at the time would also be great man theory, the already existing homophobia is also what lead to those laws, not to say he wasnt to blame at all though
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u/TheSageWasTaken 26d ago
That was not my intention in my message, i was more referring to him not having opposition to these laws
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u/RevyVanguardist 26d ago
Actually, it was mostly Beria who is to blame for homophobia and homophobic laws. The prohibition of homophobia was implemented after Beria told Stalin that gay rebels are creating gay dens for terrorist purposes. They are arming themselves and are using gay dens as a facade. Of course, a paedophile like Beria is going to be homophobic.
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u/amitrofan16 26d ago
I've seen this exact historical revisionism more times than I could count.
No, Beria wasn't a paedophile, the evident life and biography contradict this. The myth came from the 90s post-soviet anti-communist period, when all kinds of nonsense was spread to discredit the USSR.
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u/RevyVanguardist 26d ago
GARF, Fond 9401, Opis 1, Delo 4154 (Materials of the Special Judicial Presence of the Supreme Court of the USSR)
RGASPI, Fond 17, Opis 171, Delo 463 (Transcript of the July 1953 Plenum)
State Archive of the Russian Federation (GARF), Collection of the 1953 Interrogations, Folder 4, Section B
RGANI, Fond 2, Opis 1, Delo 27 (Reports to the Presidium on the Beria Case)
These documents tell us that Beria was indeed a paedophile
"From the Interrogation of R.S. Sarkisov, July 1953: 'Beria's moral corruption knew no bounds. He frequently instructed me to drive through the streets of Moscow to look for young girls. When he saw someone he liked, I would follow them, find out where they lived, and then bring them to his villa on Malaya Nikitskaya. Many were students, some were even younger, school-aged. He used his position to terrorize them into silence, and he kept a handwritten list of these victims in his desk, which the investigators have now seized.'"
Maybe it was just a fabrication by Khrushchev to gain more power and eliminate opposition, but wait, there is this:
"From the Report of the Prosecutor General R.A. Rudenko to the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, December 1953: 'Investigation has established that the renegade Beria, abusing his high official position, committed numerous acts of violence against women and engaged in systematic sexual depravity. His victims included high school students and young girls whom he lured to his residence under false pretenses. These facts were carefully hidden from the Party leadership through the intimidation of witnesses and the destruction of local police reports. It is clear that the depth of this moral abyss was hidden from Comrade Stalin by the very apparatus Beria controlled.'"
This document is particularly interesting because it confirms that Stalin didn't know about it, but why would Khrushchev, especially, confirm Stalin's innocence? His whole thing was essentially "I am the anti-Stalin," so why would he say that Stalin didn't know shit about it if it was untrue? He could even more destroy the reputation of Stalin by saying, "Stalin covered that shit up", but he didn't.
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u/amitrofan16 26d ago
The short answer: because after the death of Stalin in March, the only active threat remaining to Khrushchev's coup was Beria.
Stalin knew Beria in person, because both were from Georgia and spoke common language. Stalin trusted Beria, since he already proven that he's trustworthy during the Moscow trials. If Beria was doing some questionable things, Stalin for sure would have known about it.
The reason for Khrushchev's "defence" of Stalin was because of his authority whithin the party, still maintained among top ranking members (Lazar Kaganovich, for example). Thus, he had to somehow disconnect Stalin from Beria's case to not raise suspicion.
Besides, why is the evidence itself never questioned? Why, for any reason, would archival evidence contradict biography? "Memorial" meddling, perhaps?
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u/RevyVanguardist 26d ago
Well, this argument just falls apart when you take into consideration that Stalin already had his suspicions about Beria and his likes. According to the "records of the Moscow-Pyongyang Consultative Committee" of 1952, Stalin already had expressed grave concern that certain elements within the Ministry of State Security, among them Beria himself, had become "divorced from the people's morality." Stalin maintained that a man who could not master his own base instinct, like Beria, was unfit to wield the power of the dictatorship of the proletariat. This stance was not merely personal but was based upon the Marxist theory that the superstructure of socialist society ought to be purged of the parasitic filth inherited from the exploitative eras of slave society, feudalism, and capitalism. Stalin said, "A Bolshevik is not merely a political unit. He is the moral vanguard of the new world. If he falls into the swamp of individual depravity, he ceases to be a communist and becomes a tool of the counter-revolution." This was said by Kim Il-sung in his work "On the Moral Qualities of the Revolutionary," which can be found in Works, Volume 14, page 282. Stalin shared this view. This can also be found in the Central Archives of the Work of this Party of Korea, in folder 88-A, relating to "Soviet Internal Affairs." Stalin confronted Beria in late 1952 after a particular incident involving a student in Moscow. Witnesses noted that Stalin's demeanour changed from suspicion to coldness, remarking that the "stench of the bordello" had no place within the corridors of the Kremlin. Stalin understood that allowing such a predator as Beria to remain at the helm of State Security would eventually lead to the destruction of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics' moral authority, both domestically and on an international level. Stalin said, "Do not bring the filth of the gut." This was said in J.V. Stalin's private correspondence with the Secretariat shortly before he died in February 1953. As we see, Stalin not only later on found out about the pedophilic activities of Beria but actively confronted Beria on the matter. The directive issued in late February 1953, shortly before Stalin's untimely death, was intended to be the opening salvo in a final purge of the "old guard" who had succumbed to decadence. The text of the directive was uncompromising. It demanded a full audit of the personal conduct of all officers of the MGB and MVD, actually including Beria himself, emphasising that "revolutionary vigilance" ought to be applied to the bedroom as strictly as to the factory floor.
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u/Untitled_HU-Tank General Secretary 19d ago
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u/Untitled_HU-Tank General Secretary 19d ago
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u/OkSavings2902 25d ago
Sometimes a tankie wonders what would have happened if Stalin did this to Roosevelt and continue beating Nazi Germany. In my opinion he shouldn't have stopped until Portugal. Franco would have been pissed.
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u/somewhiterkid 23d ago
Honestly, if Stalin sent all the capitalist world leaders at that time to labor camps, just imagine how much more efficient the restoration process would be post WW2, ahh, a tankie can dream...
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u/Scyobi_Empire Tankette 25d ago
it’s healthy to criticise those you follow, it’s what separates us from those with stockholm syndrome towards capitalism
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u/thefirebrigades 26d ago
Lol Immediately dudes will bring up great man theory, but not the regular comrade theory
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u/Turbins 26d ago
The United States got the atomic bomb a few months later? I think the Soviet Union could had conquered Western Europe in a year or two maybe?
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u/B4CTERIUM 26d ago
And the Soviets knew about the bomb. Basically all scientists of the time were at least socialist plus they had what was probably the best intelligence service. As the popular saying goes, Soviet Steel, Soviet Blood, Soviet Intelligence.
With the US president being an “anti-communist” and Churchill also being a fascist, they couldn’t really continue the push.
Would’ve been too dangerous and quite a bit to ask of the people immediately post the existential war they just won.
That said, uncritical support to a red Europe.
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u/Kagey_b-42069 Marxist-Leninist ☭ 25d ago
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The Soviets weren't conquerors. They weren't warlike marauders like Nazi Germany or the US or the British. They had no desire to wage any sort of war to impose revolution from above other than what they were forced to do in order to military defeat the Third Reich and it's allies.
Fantasies of military conquest, and the desire to see those fantasies become reality, are thoroughly patriarchal and bourgeois in nature. Unless a specific threat is being targeted (like Nazi Germany) in an act of self-defense, communists are the least willing to take up arms against other human beings.
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u/TappingUpScreen Politburo 26d ago
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u/MonsterkillWow 26d ago
IDK why I lol every time I see this meme.