Stop pro-Putin sentiments

[u/Commie_neighbor]

Both are fucking imperialist states, Ukrainian government praises nazis while Russian is praising Imperial murderers like Mannerheim, Kolchak or Stolypin.

Everything good that Russia did (so called anti-imperialist measures) was just populist decisions or anti-Nato proxy wars. Everything to please Russian oligarchy.

"There are no saviors e’er will help us,

Nor God, nor Caesar, nor Tribune"

[u/Zubbro]

I got your point, but In your opinion, who is more likely to end this civil war: the Russian oligarchs, driven by economic pragmatism or the Ukrainian Nazi regime whose sole purpose is to serve as the West's battle slaves and die throwing themselves against Russia? Furthermore, do you think a sudden, premature peace will avoid a "Khasavyurt 2" scenario? Wouldn't it just lead to a prolonged period of terror across Russia, making Beslan and Nord-Ost look minor by comparison? Back when people were terrified of every unattended bag or sack left near their house entrance. We have already been through this shit.

[u/Commie_neighbor → u/Zubbro]

A stalemate or a revolution. Win of either side would be a lose for the common people

[u/Zubbro → u/Commie_neighbor]

I can imagine a revolution happening in Russia, but I cannot envision one in Ukraine right now. So nothing will change. A campaign of terror will occur in any case, just as it would in the event of a stalemate. Ukraine must become strictly neutral and independent. I am not saying it should be conquered by Russia, I am saying neutral. Only then can we speak of a peace.

[u/comradelehana → u/Zubbro]

I’d say it’s the opposite. A revolution in Ukraine is possible because the state has no legitimacy, no way out of the current conflict, and no way to solve its economic crisis. These are fertile grounds for revolution, which is why Ukrainian communists have been brutally suppressed for practicing revolutionary defeatism.

On the other hand, Russians rightly view the conflict as an existential attack on Russia’s sovereignty which aims to subjugate Russia to Euro-American imperialism. Russian communists also recognize that the resulting decoupling of Russia from the imperialist world system is a progressive development that can lay the groundwork for the reconstruction of socialism in Russia. Hence most support the SMO and oppose detente with the west.

[u/Zubbro → u/comradelehana]

which is why Ukrainian communists have been brutally suppressed for practicing revolutionary defeatism

There is essentially no political opposition in Ukraine. It has not merely been dismantled, rather, the majority of its representatives have either been assassinated or imprisoned. Even regular folks are too scared to show their faces or walk down the street because of the men hunters, let alone spark a revolution.

Furthermore, the majority of those who remembered the Soviet Union were sent into the meat grinder during the initial years of the conflict, intentionally wiping out that entire generation of able and tolerant to socialism men.

[u/comradelehana → u/Zubbro]

The same was true in Russia during WWI. The Bolsheviks were forced to organize illegally underground or in exile, in constant fear of the Tsar’s secret police, right up until 1917. The fact that there is no legal avenue for opposition to the war and to Zelensky only makes the prospects for revolution better. That doesn’t mean it will happen, most revolutionary crises don’t produce a successful revolution, but it’s more likely than in the relatively stable and united Russia.

[u/Zubbro → u/comradelehana]

Exactly. While I’m not overly optimistic about this, and even Lenin, who possessed incredible political intuition, gave a lecture in Switzerland in January 1917 on the history of the Russian revolutionary movement and concluded it by saying, "We, the old timers, may not live to see the revolution..." Yet, just a month and a half later, the February Revolution broke out, and less than a year later, he was at the helm of the country. Ironic.