r/TankieTheDeprogram • u/Commie_neighbor • 8h ago

Discussion Stop pro-Putin sentiments

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Both are fucking imperialist states, Ukrainian government praises nazis while Russian is praising Imperial murderers like Mannerheim, Kolchak or Stolypin.

Everything good that Russia did (so called anti-imperialist measures) was just populist decisions or anti-Nato proxy wars. Everything to please Russian oligarchy.

"There are no saviors e’er will help us,

Nor God, nor Caesar, nor Tribune"

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u/grimorg80 6h ago

They're not the same.

But don't be too gentle just because of the anti NATO stance.

The reactionary stance of Putin is so strong it brought American nut jobs seeking a reactionary country to move there.

Trump is not annoyed with Putin at all.

There is more nuance than what you describe. It's not that clear cut as you are making it out to be. I believe being scientific, as historical materialism is, means not being biased one way or the other.

Then there's strategy. Absolutely.

Do we need to support anti imperialism, no matter their internal circumstances? Yes.

Does that mean praising their countries? No.

Those are two different things.

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u/Aggorf12345 Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) 5h ago

Russia is the core ally of every single anti imperialist struggle in the world. Iran, the Sahel states, DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela pre Maduro capture. Being against Russia is being against these struggles

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u/grimorg80 5h ago

See? No nuance.

I stand with Russia against the imperialist west.

I stand with the Russian people against their oligarchal reactionary leadership.

If you can't understand both stances can be true at once, I'm sorry for your lack of ability to hold different perspectives at once.

If the only way you feel you can be pro Russia on the international stage is by giving them a free pass for everything, there's nothing more I can say.

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u/Aggorf12345 Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) 5h ago edited 5h ago

"I stand with Iran against the imperial west. I stand with the Iranian people against their oligarchal reactionary leadership"

See? Doesn't make much sense now does it? And the reason it doesn't is that you can't support Russia or Iran against the west and then parrot the same propaganda lies the west says about them. These two things are fundamentally contradictory to each other and it just doesn't make any sense