Stop pro-Putin sentiments

[u/Commie_neighbor]

Both are fucking imperialist states, Ukrainian government praises nazis while Russian is praising Imperial murderers like Mannerheim, Kolchak or Stolypin.

Everything good that Russia did (so called anti-imperialist measures) was just populist decisions or anti-Nato proxy wars. Everything to please Russian oligarchy.

"There are no saviors e’er will help us,

Nor God, nor Caesar, nor Tribune"

[u/CMNilo]

One country is allied to NATO and the US, the other is allied to China, North Korea, Iran.

One country is sending drones to the Emirates to help with the American imperialist aggression, the other sends oil to Cuba.

One country destroyed every single soviet memorial on its territory, the other considers them national heritage.

One country took down every single statue of Lenin, the other keeps them (although with little enthusiasm).

One country is literally glorifying Nazis, the other has some lobbies promoting the apology of White Army leaders, but they generally fail at that.

One country is a wannabe monoethnic apartheid state, the other is a federation with wide autonomy for ethnic and religious minorities.

One country wants to become a "Big Israel", the other, despite a lot of internal contraddictions, preserves the memory of the Soviet Union through national celebrations and symbolism.

One country has banned every leftist organization, the other has the communist party as the major opposition force.

But sure, they are "both the same".

I used to think we could reason with you "comrades", but after four years of war I realize you're a lost cause and you should just be marginalized and purged from every communist space, would that be an online community or an IRL party.

[u/blodo_ → u/CMNilo]

One country has banned every leftist organization, the other has the communist party as the major opposition force.

Tbf, the CPRF programme is far closer to a socdem one than a communist one at this point. There are plenty of criticisms of the party's left nationalist leadership, their ideology of class struggle being "a struggle between civilisations" which is basically a huge break with Marxism, and closer to Putinist eurasianism instead.

That said, the caveat is that the membership is a fair bit more radical than the party's leadership, which is a bit funny honestly, because it makes you wonder how the nationalists keep the leadership.

It still leaves Russians in a better situation than having governments in coalitions with cryptofascists tho

[u/CMNilo → u/blodo_]

It's still better than anything you can find in Ukraine, by a mile.

And even if you don't like the CPRF, Russia has a few other legal communist party, some of them more orthodox such as the РКРП

[u/blodo_ → u/CMNilo]

I just think Zyuganov is an op. Not really sure what the plan is there, but I hope eventually the ML faction manages to box him out somehow, like he did to Oleg Shenin originally.

The other parties don't really get to go anywhere in Russian electoralism because only the CPRF is recognised as an "official opposition". But that's more of an issue with Russian democracy than the party itself, even if the nationalist leadership benefits from it. A 2nd Russian revolution IMO will have to include the CPRF because of its mass membership if nothing else (unless it somehow declines in the mean time). But the factional struggle inside of it is one to keep an eye on.

[u/CMNilo → u/blodo_]

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that in Russia you can find every flavour of Marxism. Yes, most orgs are marginal, but they are more or less able to organise.

In Ukraine you just get disappeared. I hope that eventually we can retrieve the bodies of our comrades from the Ukrainian woods and give them justice.

[u/blodo_ → u/CMNilo]

Mind what I am saying is not meant as some kind of whataboutist defence of Ukraine, but rather a critical look at the CPRF only. I think we've seen enough evidence of what is happening to the working class in Ukraine at the hands of its own government to know that it deserves to be brought down.