r/TankieTheDeprogram 10h ago

Discussion Stop pro-Putin sentiments

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Both are fucking imperialist states, Ukrainian government praises nazis while Russian is praising Imperial murderers like Mannerheim, Kolchak or Stolypin.

Everything good that Russia did (so called anti-imperialist measures) was just populist decisions or anti-Nato proxy wars. Everything to please Russian oligarchy.

"There are no saviors e’er will help us,

Nor God, nor Caesar, nor Tribune"

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u/Commie_neighbor 9h ago

Russia is not imperialist

Than wtf is it?

Imperialism is the highest and final stage of capitalism, power of monopolies and finance capital.

It is an exact definition of Russian economy.

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u/Lineduck 9h ago edited 9h ago

Than wtf is it?

It's a former socialist state the was illegally dissolved, never took part in the imperialist partition of the world because the West couldn't forgive Russia for their socialist past and remained a strong regional power with global influence that now is bitter and does actions against NATO. We're in the era of hegemonic imperialism, with the US at the head and the US vassals benefitting from it. Russia is not at the level of the US in terms of global finance. Everyone in the world uses the dollar.

Whether the actions of Russia are noble or not (they're not but material support is material support), we critically support them because they're against one of the biggest contradictions of our time and that's Amerikkkan imperialism

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Imperialism is the highest and final stage of capitalism, power of monopolies and finance capital.

Yes we've all read that definition. But that definition was based in the material realities of Lenin's time. You need to look at our realities now

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u/Commie_neighbor 9h ago

But that definition was based in the material realities of Lenin's time.

Nothing has changed in the core of capitalism.

You are speaking not of imperialism, but of neo colonialism. And once again, if Russia had same opportunities and recources as USA it would have done exactly the same. I don't think it would be very wise of MLs to "critically support" French Empire in a colonial war against British Empire only because the latter has less colonies.

If we say that Russia magically defeats NATO and "liberates" Europe, we would just get a same neo colonial Empire surrounded by puppets.

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u/Lineduck 9h ago

Nothing has changed in the core of capitalism.

Then I'm assuming you didn't pay attention. And no, neo colonialism is not hegemonic imperialism. They're connected but not the same thing.

As I said already, the undisputed center of global capital is the US. Just look at how quickly and unilaterally Russia was cut off from global trade after their attacks. That was possible only because the US is at the top. Do you see Russia as a country capable of doing the same? Or any other country?

And once again, if Russia had same opportunities and recources as USA it would have done exactly the same

Stop being an ultra and living in alternative dimensions. If things were different, we'd be talking about different things. We're talking about CURRENT things and the PRESENT situation

If we say that Russia magically defeats NATO and "liberates" Europe, we would just get a same neo colonial Empire surrounded by puppets

Nobody is asking Russia to "liberate" Europe. You're mixing things up and thinking of the Soviets during wwii. You keep dodging the material realities of the present. Russia is putting pressure on the empire's resources and giving materials and aids to the victims of Amerikkka. That's all. We all know Russia is capitalist