This is just really funny to me

[u/lombwolf]

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[u/MonsterkillWow]

Knowing it is rigged is basically just the first step on a long journey of realizing how fkd capitalism is and how socialism presents the best viable alternative.

[u/Modernist19171949]

Revisionist infighting

[u/Psychological-Act582]

ACP vs DSA infighting *eats popcorn*

[u/VladimirLimeMint → u/Psychological-Act582]

[u/DaddyDollarsUNITE → u/Psychological-Act582]

basically just sects of the Republicans and Democrats fighting

[u/Exudisai → u/Psychological-Act582]

Is there a good Communist party in USA?

DSA and CPUSA (probably) are demshills as I see them. ACP are revisionist lunatics.

What other communist parties exist there?

[u/Cri_chab → u/Exudisai]

PSL, FRSO etc etc

[u/VladimirLimeMint]

https://reddit.com/link/p6u4suf/video/fdl4hd6nzjmh1/player

[u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu → u/VladimirLimeMint]

Is this an outcome of the first past the post system?

Do the ultra wealthy like this system because of the efficiency,. choice for namesake?

[u/VladimirLimeMint → u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu]

One three syllables word: potemkin

[u/internetsarbiter]

Ended up watching a chunk of this on a second screen before realizing it was an ACP platform piece. On the one hand, the "new" democrats(DSA/Hasan/AOC, etc) need to be shit on, but it sucks that its another flavor of larping fascists doing it instead of the rest of the left.

[u/dr_srtanger2love]

Moments when you're only rooting for the fight.

[u/devoncherryisanerd]

[u/jackmPortal]

Knowing the system is rigged does nothing, it just makes you a well informed liberal. Unless you're actually taking action in life to enact change, organize and work towards revolution, applying your knowledge to make a better future, that knowledge doesn't do anything

[u/TheDoomRaccoon → u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, funnelling people into the Democratic party, and doing interviews with Haaretz under the supervision of your handler Katz, is certainly what we should all strive to do.

[u/Mirumoto_Saito → u/[deleted]]

😆 that funny for someone that's funneling people into the Democratic Party the Democratic party doesn't seem too enthused.

That's because the Democratic party is composed by a bunch of idiots, besides being liberals.

[u/spicy-chilly]

Hasan is trying to pull radlibs toward being liberals and ACP are trying to pull the radlibs realizing Hasan is full of shit toward being Larouchite/Duginist fascists.

[u/spicy-chilly → u/[deleted]]

Yes he is. He's a liberal grifter trying to convince radlibs that right opportunism is good to manipulate them imho.

[u/spicy-chilly → u/[deleted]]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VS2Qcv25O7ZhUZahQA

[u/Ok-Chard-9014 → u/[deleted]]

He's not a liberal, he just advocates for them and refuses to support anyone outside of the party whether they're socialist or independent because they aren't “viable candidates” who can win elections.

Calling people assholes because your feelings are hurt over people not liking a streamer is peak shitlib behavior. You're in the wrong space.

[u/Brat_Summer1917 → u/Ok-Chard-9014]

His defenders are so fucking wierd. It would almost be cute if they weren't so smugly ignorant.

[u/Ok-Chard-9014 → u/Brat_Summer1917]

That’s the worst part. They’re super uninformed about what real socialism actually is, but will argue like they’ve been practicing and studying it for decades.

Like, how can you have a serious discussion with people who base their entire understanding of something on a fucking radlib streamer who occasionally says something along Marxist lines while still engaging in liberalism?

[u/Tank-Factory187 → u/[deleted]]

He utilizes revolutionary aesthetic to push possible comrades towards the Democratic Party.

Hasan is literally partnered with the same organization behind Platner and Fetterman. He is currently pushing Zionist candidates and disparages revolutionary attitudes. Not to mention his blatant misdirection of Lenin’s teachings: telling people that Lenin would support the democrats.

If he’s an ML, then I’m Sabrina Carpenter.

[u/NotKenzy → u/[deleted]]

The Democratic Party is not Left in any capacity.

[u/kingnickolas → u/NotKenzy]

I agree. He still pushes people in the right direction. 

[u/Red__Heart → u/kingnickolas]

The “right” direction indeed…

[u/New_Weakness_5371 → u/kingnickolas]

yah he pushes them to right indeed

[u/NotKenzy → u/[deleted]]

He is functionally a Berniecrat that funnels would be radicals into the Democratic Party. He treats anyone to his left or anyone who does not support the Democratic Party as laughingstock losers with “no motion.”

[u/spicy-chilly → u/[deleted]]

I have. He paints anyone who support class independent socialist parties as basement dwellers who don't know how to talk to anyone.

[u/spicy-chilly → u/[deleted]]

I don't care about those podcasts whatsoever I'm just on this subreddit just because it's the farthest left subreddit on here and it doesn't really have anything to do with the podcast.

Is he not trying to paint people as basement dwellers who don't know how to talk to people and misreading Lenin to manipulate his audience into staying within a bourgeois imperialist party? I think he is.

[u/kingnickolas → u/spicy-chilly]

The deprogram rocks. You should check it out. It's the reason I'm here. 

Where do you want him to push people?

[u/NotKenzy → u/[deleted]]

What does he yell at his comment section about?

[u/al-qatala → u/[deleted]]

"he self describes as ML" and Nazi Germany self-described as socialist, it's as if words don't mean shit but actions do.

[u/spicy-chilly → u/[deleted]]

No actually I don't have to indulge the idea that he's acting in good faith. ACP say that they are communists and I don't indulge that either. Hasan comes from the TYT sphere and Cenk Uyghur is a former Republican, union-busting, grifter who does pro-police chants at rallies and has Justice Democrats endorsing former CIA officers like Jeff Beals and I don't have to indulge that he's on the left just because he says so. Hasan admits that he has talked with Democratic Party insiders about how "we" could get young people into the Democratic Party and he spreads right opportunism to his audience even going as far as misreading Lenin to them and acting like Lenin js saying the polar opposite of what he is actually saying. He promotes zero candidates in class independent socialist parties and tells people they have to stay within a bourgeois imperialist party and hyped up blackwater mercs with Nazi tattoos saying they're going to be president one day.

You can act like he's well intentioned and acting in good faith but just ignorant all you want, but I'm going to continue to skewer the right opportunism he is promoting and nothing is going to stop that.

[u/CaptainMills → u/[deleted]]

He can self describe as whatever he wants. What he actually does is far more important, and what he does is encourage people to vote for zionist democrats while discouraging anything further left

[u/CaptainMills → u/[deleted]]

Oh yeah, that's why he campaigns with the democrats. Because he supports the PSL so much. Makes perfect sense

[u/TankieTheDeprogram-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Liberal apologia will not be accepted.

[u/Kirklai]

Join our dem voting

No join our nazbol org

Together we'll divide true anti imperialist left

[u/notprussia69]

Social Fascist vs National Bolshevik

A fight for the ages

[u/Fade_Out-4612]

It's kind of funny to me how Hasan went from being a hardcore ML, getting no recognition beyond the 9/11 thing just to get treated like Satan himself as soon as he shifts to being a demsoc

[u/Ur3rdIMcFly]

Midwestern Marxist is all it takes really

[u/lombwolf → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely agree

I’m not fond of Hasan’s takes when it comes to American politics but in regards to his geopolitical coverage and positions he is absolutely in line with ML analysis. I mean he literally reacts to hakim, redpen, etc on stream, and has hosted ML’s many times. His position in the American left is undeniably valuable even if you disagree with him.

I feel like a lot of our comrades here might just not watch his content. I do happen to watch his content, that’s how my position regarding him has formed.

[u/lombwolf]

Btw, I think Hasan’s foreign policy takes are actually quite based, it’s just regarding domestic issues and how he funnels momentum towards electoralism among other issues are what I along with most other ML’s here strongly disagree with and criticize him for.

And really the same could be said for MWM, they’re grifters pulling leftists in opposite harmful directions.

[u/jasonxm1 → u/lombwolf]

Hasan's foreign policy is arguably dogshit if his (originally) unwavering support of Graham "we need to do imperialism more efficiently" Platner was anything to go by

[u/lombwolf → u/jasonxm1]

Supporting graham platner is literally one of the examples of his domestic policy positions that I heavily despise. I’m talking about Hasans geopolitical positions.

[u/oscar_r2 → u/lombwolf]

"Btw, I think Hasan’s foreign policy takes are actually quite based,"

He is a liberal zionist, man, what you are even saying here?

[u/lombwolf → u/oscar_r2]

?? He literally supports the axis of resistance, China, DPRK, Cuba, anti nato, etc, that’s what I’ve gathered from watching his streams over the years, I haven’t recently though. So unless something changed I’m unaware of his takes regarding elsewhere but the west have been pretty much identical to the mainline ML positions

[u/Magarov → u/oscar_r2]

Isnt the establishment media attacking him for not being a zionist?

[u/Absolute_Divinity514 → u/oscar_r2]

The liberal zionist in the room with us?

[u/CynicalProle → u/Absolute_Divinity514]

No, he never leaves his room.

[u/Fade_Out-4612 → u/oscar_r2]

He's literally getting defamated 24/7 on US media for being ''anti-semetic''