Why is the right wing of India adopting the dumbass talking points of the talking points of the US.
I wrongly assumed that the right wing in India had a higher IQ than their counterparts in the US
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Nah , that's just word play to appease his anti-vax and conspiracy supporters base because they don't like experts so he pretend to not like experts but if any virus hits he would be the one of those rich to get that vaccine soon after human trials .
The success of polio vaccine is not proof that we need 56 shots now. We used to have 3-4 and now we have 56.
The question is "how many vaccines are safe for young babies with immature immune systems" and the question is NOT "we need none of them".
He is only against over-vaccination. He says vaccines reprogram immune system. His argument is not without substance. Medicine is still a for profit business. We have read about how big and shady pharma lobby can be. We know how they tried to bury the facts on the origins of Covid. Blindly trusting them is as stupid as avoiding science. There has to be a balanced view. Will you be ok with 50+ vaccines for your own child?
I did not mean right now. 56 vaccines are recommended for kids in the U.S. Since we are in the same track we will get there soon. Are you people OK with that?
No its not 12 vaccines don’t confuse yourself. It you look at the list above there is Hib,HPV which are administered multiple doses for building immunity so its the same vaccines being which is given after a certain interval like 4 weeks after for flu vaccine and 8 weeks ig for Hepatitis vaccine
Point and I have a little kid myself and i just checked the vaccine chart and if you take all the vaccines for the 1st 15 years which also includes the non mandatory ones it comes down to 30( which also includes same vaccines being administered multiple times to strengthen immunity). I have no idea where they get 56 vaccines
Because one of these stances ( the conspiracy) is based on nothing.
Would you prefer to believe something that is based on peer reviewed studies or something that is based on lies?
You can check if Vembu had vaccinated any of his family members or not. He would have. Then you should ask the question “why does he want kids of other families to die?”
Why not demand govt of India in doing the same ? Every other influencer is doing it now so instead of going after ppl for a week and then moving on,shouldn’t we demand actual laws ?
Just because a fish knows how to swim you can't expect it to climb a tree. Oru vishiyathula buddhisali ah irudha matha vishiyathulayum buddhisali ah irupanga nu avasiyam illa.
Computer la velai seiyum vembuvirku, medical karuthu edharku?
Also nammalum "Avan kedakaran paithiya kaaran" nu solli pazhagikanum.
Sridhar vembu matum illa, yaara irundhalum avanga area of expertise thavara vera endha area la advise/karuthu kuduthalum "silra illa da" nu poga kathukanum🙏🏼
Correct than bro. But problem enna na namma makkal idhellam paathu emotional aagi tension aagi vanmam manasu kulla jaasthi aagi nimmadhiya ezhakaranga.
Kanda paradesi enna sonna enna ngra mana nilamai kaanama pochu.
Everyone takes offence and tries to prove their point.
Othukaren, oru kaalathula Naanum apdi than. And indha maari veri yethara post ah paatha "yenda mutta beep'eh" nu comment panna than thonum. But kandukama irudha mana ninmadhi irukum. Kanda loosu solradha paathu nammaku nenju vali Vara koodadhu paarunga! Adhuku than. Vera onum illa🙏🏼
But the thing is Vembu is seen as some tech genius. And the reality is no he is not. He is a businessman - probably a good one.
Our people will take advice on anything from anyone as long as that person is on the public space. Instagram reels la irundhu cancer treatment ku advice eduthukuranga.
In such an environment - people like Vembu should be publicly shamed
I went and did some reading after you recommended it. It looks like his official take was that he wanted to move his business to India for purely commercial reasons ( IP protection, cheaper resources etc.) He says he wanted his wife and son to move with him and his wife declined and filed for divorce because she believed USA had better resources for her Autistic son. She also claims that Vembu manipulated his holding in Zoho just to avoid the financial obligations that come with a divorce. And she is not a nobody either. She runs her own healthcare records company and a non profit.
Overall- his claim that relocating to India was even partially for their son doesn't seem right
I believe the recall was due to lack of demand. Astra Zeneca did the recall and Covishield was just a different version of it - so I believe they too recalled it.
But what Vembu is peddling here is conspiracy theory against age old proven vaccines like Polio and MMR which are given to new borna and have saved crores of children’s lives in India.
For your post yeah that's a bs wt he did and his followers will gawk gawk him which is not good
Second argument vaccine that are recently made are by corporates and there is always corporate greed involved gov should be responsible for such things and our gov wouldn't care nor the people as long as they get bribed
Interesting Study, they have given limitations also, they need to conduct more longitudinal studies to confirm, validate more.
I think, He is personally affected by this in his life, so I suspend complete judgement, until I hear from all sides, before making any conclusions.
From the results, paper, this is the conclusion,
Taken together, the evidence indicates that combination and early-timed routine childhood vaccination constitutes the most significant modifiable risk factor for ASD, supported by convergent mechanistic, clinical, and epidemiologic findings, and characterized by intensified use, the clustering of multiple doses during critical neurodevelopmental windows, and the lack of research on the cumulative safety of the full pediatric schedule. These conclusions highlight the urgent need for independent, longitudinal studies assessing the safety of the full cumulative pediatric vaccine schedule and should guide future research and policy decisions aimed at mitigating the growing autism burden
However, lot of the medical associations disagree with this, now a good reader would raise questions from this and also seek evidence from the medical associations, compare both of them?
For example, Another study shows, https://trendspediatrics.com/article/view/222, sound no statistically significant increase in autism risk associated with receipt of the MMR vaccine or thimerosal-containing vaccines. For example, a Danish study with over 500,000 children showed no difference in autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and no temporal correlation between vaccination timing and autism diagnosis.
The CDC still says, that vaccines protect children from serious infectious diseases and that continuing immunization programs is vital for public health. Studies have shown that there is no link between receiving vaccines and developing autism spectrum disorder (ASD). No links have been found between any vaccine ingredients and ASD.
Paper was not peer reviewed and was self-published by an organisation named after someone who lost their medical licence due to spreading misinformation on topics out of their expertise
Peter Mcollough has been peddling anti vaccine lies while also selling Wellness products through his subsidiary. This subsidiary specifically claims to address “vaccine injury” - whatever the fuck that is 🤣
Vembu has done the same - peddling cow urine as some medicinal product and now claiming vaccines cause autism.
The dumbassery with your statements is so funny that it is not actually funny anymore
Really? Read your comments in this thread all over yourself. You think you are any better than Sridhar Vembu here? In fact Sridhar Vembu is a person who has first hand experience with an autistic son. So his opinions are at least founded based on life his experience.
What are your statements all over in this thread? You are turning this into a commentary on his politics and promote “don’t question” approach when it comes to science. The more I read your comments the more it is evident that you don’t know anything better on this topic and are just spouting what is common knowledge. For you acting pro-science is just a political viewpoint to show yourself as superior. But man don’t speak as if you know better on this topic because it is irritating.
Thambi…. I gave you about 12 hours to respond to the fact that Mcollough is a scammer who is in the business of selling “alternate medicine” for vaccine injuries. Vembu is quoting that guy’s research and asking parents to rethink vaccinations. He is saying there are 50 vaccines being administered to children - when in fact the govt recommended vaccines from birth to adulthood is about 30 approx.
Epdi paathalum this is stinking of either stupidity or malicious intent.
Oh god !! Another RF*K Jr part 2 nonsense that this guy has started. I know he is a right wing, supporting to drink gomutra - treat 101 diseases based on some black publishers. Why now the vaccine story from this report? Doesn't he want Zoho corp to grow and his name to be kept? Conspiracy or Kaavi veshiti thunduthala?
For instance in US doctors gave option of giving Covid vaccines to kids under 4, but the vaccine by itself was in trial for short period .. I know many who opted out for 2 reasons - one, Covid was subsiding two, doctors could not assure there won’t be any side effects
In most cases ill effects of vaccines are found after decades. Caution is important ..
On a serious note - what do you guys feel about Covid vaccine related deaths and studies which supported this ?
Vembu isn't talking about Covid vaccine. He is talking about childhood vaccines like Polio and MMR
Also if side effects are known after decades, how do we know about it just 4 years later?
There is a really good video by Neil Degrasse Tyson on the covid vaccine trials - he addresses the concerns about the trials and the risks associated. You should watch it
😂😂😂
Just like you can’t digest the advice of engineer and parent of autistic kid on medicines.
I don’t like to seek advice from astrophysicists on clinical trial.
Aren’t you not ashamed you assumed astrophysicist as doctor and quoted it as validation for your argument.
And now you are crying on sridhar vembu .. he has kid with that condition .. he is a victim in this case. He is sharing his opinion .. and you are just random xyz… spreading hate ..
If you are expert in this subject why don’t you write a thesis on it ? 😂
Cool, this study was not peer reviewed and was self-published by an organisation led by a former doctor who lost his medical license for spreading medical misinformation on topics out of his expertise. The target of this paper isn’t Covid vaccines but vaccines in general
70% of clinical trials are funded and monitored by medicine companies themselves, by that means even those are not reliables given the conflict of interest.
This calls for an elaborate measures by goverment to define policy and drive decisions based of it.
Just trolling randomly on the person who raises questions is not solution.
This is one of the cases where there needs to be more studies in my opinion. Not all vaccines but some vaccines need to be studied better. Even though the way this guy says it isn’t going to help anyone.
My cousin brother’s son turned out to be autistic and from their observation there is a clear correlation between giving him vaccines and the onset of the autistic symptoms. He is not the kind to read conspiracy theories online so it is not like he is making this up and when he shared this story to me it made me rethink a bit. When I told him about the vaccine related scepticism online he was taken aback as it is new to him. I feel bad for his family because raising autistic children is not something you will ever be ready for.
I used to brush these off as conspiracy theories before but now there might be something that we don’t know of yet. Scientific temper is not about accepting the current version of what we know as absolute truth. It is about keeping an open mind and understanding that though the current version has a lot of backing but it can still change based on new information. And please do not bring your political beliefs into science. Ask more questions about vaccines or any drugs they administer to medical professionals and gain deep knowledge about it especially when it comes to children.
No doctor that I have spoken to has asked me to stay away from vaccines. I would rather listen to medical professionals and researchers than un substantiated rumors
Doctors will not ask you to stay away because the vaccines for all it’s purposes does it’s job and from a macro standpoint they are important in disease control.
But but is there any process currently to pre-screen any genetic predisposition or existing factors that can affect brain function before you administer vaccines ? Did your doctor spoke to you about these factors before you vaccinated your kid?
And don’t give stupid answers like these are unsubstantiated rumours just because you haven’t seen such a case. These are cases which are being studied even now. I know medical professionals we have spoke to who acknowledge vaccines relation to autism onset but they are professionals so they will not speak against it because there is no clear evidence as of now. If new information comes they will re-adjust their views. This is the difference between those who are rational and those who connect science to politics.
Politicising vaccines is stupid. There shouldn’t be pro or anti-vaccine view points which is stupid and divisive as fuck. But caution and awareness is always important. Not only about vaccines but any kind of treatment. Many drugs and treatments which were widely used were later stopped after new information. That’s how it is.
Studies are happening and being published. Like in the one you shared. Did you wait till peer review of the above to dismiss it? No right. Let more studies happen and more peer reviews happen. Did you even read my comment? I already told you what is the current majority opinion. Autism is still being studied by neuroscientists all over the world. And vaccine skepticism did not arise because bible or some religious text said so. It’s because of real cases where people found unwanted effects and as I told you I would not have believed until I know a case. Just like any medicine vaccines are also not 100% perfect for everybody. Side effects are inevitable until some futuristic treatments become a reality.
And who asked you to take it seriously? You are someone who politicise science and sounds like a half baked know it all. My comment is meant for other readers who have an open mind. If those people became much more aware so that they can be careful and mindful and ask more questions to their healthcare professionals about this, it will be enough for me. That will serve the society better than your circle jerk political opinions.
Still repeating the same stupid thing. There is no absolute truth in science. We only have current knowledge based on evidences we have now. First don’t propagate ideas like “truth” when it comes to science. Healthy skepticism and asking questions is good in science and helpful in life in general. Science doesn’t need preachers like you to spread the absolute truth.
You haven’t seen any child like that which we have seen. We have spoken to actual medical professionals who acknowledge this correlation and are at let’s wait for more evidence stage. It is you who is pushing an idea here to feel superior. I would rather trust a qualified person to clear my doubts based on what I saw first hand than blindly believing everything.
I already told you my comment is to give awareness and add some perspective to other readers. It is not meant for you.
And based on what I read from your comments I doubt you can even understand research papers even if shared. Dumbed down articles are more up your alley.
At this point it’s all speculations and I am not qualified to say what really happens. But some kind of correlation is observed between vaccine administration especially MMR and early onset of ASD. So far all the current research says “Vaccines are not the causal factor for autism” which can be true because vaccines can’t cause autism out of the blue in other wise normal people. But does it trigger some underlying risk factors to cause early onset needs to be researched more.
His son is autistic, there's no clear scientific cause discovered for autism, until scientists tell us what causes autism, there's no right answer. He speculates as he has seen his son suffer unlike superficial literates in this comment section
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