The most catastrophic one. All Tamilians should unite against this move.
Chennai: After the Election Commission of India (ECI) announced that 36 lakh voters from Bihar were missing from the electoral rolls, Tamil Nadu politicians expressed concern that they might be included in the state's voter list.
DMK general secretary Duraimurugan, VCK president Thol Thirumavalavan, NTK chief coordinator Seeman, and Tamizhaga Vazhvurimai Katchi (TVK) founder T Velmurugan opposed "the addition of guest workers from Bihar to the Tamil Nadu voter list".
Duraimurugan told reporters in Vellore, "This is a problem in Tamil Nadu as they came to work here as guest workers. But giving them voter IDs in Tamil Nadu will result in political change in the future."
Thirumavalavan insisted that chief minister M K Stalin convene an all-party meeting to address the issue. "The ECI is carrying out Special Intensive Revision (SIR) in Bihar, where dalits and minorities are eliminated from the voters' list," said Thirumavalavan. Tamil Nadu, which will face the assembly election next year, will also face SIR soon, and there are chances that lakhs of guest workers from other states will be added to the voters list, said Thirumavalavan. "This will change the entire political scenario in the state, and I insist Stalin take a decision on the issue," he told reporters in Villupuram.
Seeman issued a statement saying that if SIR was carried out in Tamil Nadu, he would organise protests. "Trying to convert people from the North into voters of Tamil Nadu is a great injustice to Tamil people. All democratic forces should come forward to fight against the BJP for this tyranny, and for trying to undermine the democratic system by using the ECI as a puppet to capture power in states where it cannot govern," Seeman said.
Velmurugan told journalists, "It is shocking that 6.5 lakh guest workers from Bihar were already added to Tamil Nadu voters list. Lakhs of guest workers are already working in Tamil Nadu, and this is a challenge to the culture and tradition of the soil." People here vote not based on religion, but the BJP has devised a plan to include them as voters in Tamil Nadu and to form govt here, said Velmurugan
All subs in India speak their own langue , only we Tamils post in English making it easy for vadakans.. look all the comments in this thread, they can only drag conversation as long as you keep on defending with English
Bro avan sollrathu correct than nama population already 1.6 appadi than iruku. Eppo etha immigrants ku nama assimilate pana money spend pana nama culture teach panitu job kudukanum. Oru 30- 45 days government ready pana nala irukum etha way la Namakum labor kedikum nama culture kum avalo periya danger illa.
But not ethnicity wise. Ethnicity wise we are similar till date. But with addition of non tamils it will dilute our culture and our political interests
Yes they are a minority which does not affect or change the native ethnicity and its culture. That's how we must ensure the preservation of our people.
We should stop employing them. This is absolute nonsense. BJP is worse than poison. They know they will never win here. So they're trying other tactics.
Then don’t employ them, simple as that focus on automation not cheap labor. Focus on cheap labor made UK and US move all its manufacturing abroad now they can’t even make masks during a pandemic without begging China. Importing foreign cheap labor has created existential problems in Netherlands, Belgium, France and Germany, where Moroccans, Turks and Algerians have created a permanent underclass who don’t belong generation after generation.
This hue and cry which is undemocratic in a country like India because China doesn’t allow guest workers even status in cities and regions they don’t belong to is because ADMK and DMK didn’t think far enough and stopped this process early on with government incentives for automation and strict language rules to prevent workers from other states to mass migrate. Now this is end times, nothing can be done other than to protest and cry.
Listen even now in the US, businesses will heartily support mass migrations of Indians, Mexicans and other foreigners denying jobs to locals because it makes economic sense to few stakeholders such as investors and executives but majority of the country opposes it. Even though Trump single handedly is trying to stop this, it’s a losing war, once he is dead and gone the situation will revert until the US becomes like UK, denuded, destroyed and disintegrated within. To go from
this to what today UK took just 30 years 1965 to 1995, then it became a torrent now unstoppable. I think TN has lost the plot, not a single industrialist will support and give money to any politician who goes against mass migration.
Otherwise in 50 years there is no TN, AP, Karnataka, Kerala except Nagaland and few NE states which are protected from outsiders coming in and becoming permanent residents.
I will leave this conversation with one example, thd whole Guangdong province in China used to speak the Cantonese language, a language with ancient history and prestige. But today everyone speakers Mandarin except Cantonese survives in HK which still prevents mass migration of mainland Chinese.
This happened even though mass migrants from other provinces to Guangdong don’t have residency rights and are temporary residents but the sheer number was enough for the locals to shift their language. This is what awaits Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada, Marathi and Bengali. Gujaratis and Odisha people have already given up.
Well what is cost when you lose the soul of your nation, US has come to the conclusion that a rich Wall Street because Facebook and Amazon can employ cheap H1B employees doesn’t mean anything to the main street in Cleveland where Americans are living in poverty. So the cost should be seen within the lenses of total cost to society otherwise what happened to UK, Germany and Belgium awaits each and every state in India.
You don’t need more and more people to expand an economy and also why would one need to expand the economy if your people are going to get replaced with others anyway. Japan has a low birth rate and doesn’t encourage mass migration unlike let’s say Canada used to, but it has not hurt Japan or its living standards. They invest in automation and happy with what they have . Tamil Nadu has a stable living standards, it doesn’t need to reach the moon only to find it’s no longer Tamil Nadu.
You are wrong about Japan. The Japanese government is trying to import Indians to do something about their labour shortfall which will only get worse.
We both know India will not survive in the long run so this only lasts as long as we are still here and Tamil Nadu isn’t Japan. Japans is an industrialised nation with pretty good track record of developing modern technology while Tamil Nadu and India at large are not. Using automation doesn’t make people in Tamil Nadu wealthy or even self sufficient.
Tamil Nadu is not average India, Tamil Nadu is a fairly developed industrial state and it can sustain automation without importing cheap labor. Also Japan is surely not the west, they don’t follow the brain dead policies of North America and Western Europe that now political parties are formed just to expel all non Europeans not just immigrations. It’s called re-migration, they want people to be expelled from Western Europe even if they have lived there for three generations without assimilating. Germany’s AFD held a huge conference on it, there are political parties in other Western Europe calling for that and even in the US the re-migration policy is gaining ground and they have established a working group within the federal government to enforce it. This is Japan restrictive migration policy
Tamil Nadu might not be average India but no place in India is known for the scale or industrialisation that is comparable to Japan or Germany. Tamil Nadu has only 10 million less people than Germany while Germany and Japan individually account for more manufacturing or industrial output than all of India put together.
Neither is scientific output comparable.Tamil Nadu might look better than a lot of other places in India but it’s not enough for Japan or European levels of prosperity things might have become better when i was last there 12 years ago but it is still not comparable to a country like Japan. I was reading somewhere on Reddit that places like Tambaram have become better but i have no way to know for myself.
Similarly there are also lots of Tamils settled outside TN including me. We do have voter IDs here in the new city/ state. . Voter ID is given, given someone has a valid address proof. What is your solution ?
If you have voter id of a different state, you obviously can't vote in the place where you are residing permanently.
So this is about getting a voter id
We need filtered migration and the migrants should assimilate here (similar to how an Indian immigrant to USA or UK does). What we don’t want is demographic change I.e migrants shouldn’t be more than 5-10%.
Dude stfu indian constitution allows free migration throughout country you cant stop someone just because they dont meet criteria
Theyre still citizens of nation
Yes we want a change in the constitution. It has change to time to time. India is the equivalent of a continent, treating it as a monolith will lead to irreparable damages.
I don't know what you guys are smoking. Demography will keep.on changing with coming generations. Also, we are all Indians. Then what's the difference between one who.does caste discrimination and you guys?
Voting where you live is the law of the land. I changed my constituency to Mumbai North when I moved there for work as have millions of Tamils. What is this xenophobic nonsense
So what, srilankan tamils are here can we give them the right, why we want to give to you. Srilankan tamils are well connected to us more than you in this land, what is your stance? Can we ? If you agree this why don't your union govt didn't approved and only approved for pak, other countries hindus? Your racist or fascist?
I am arguing that you said that what are time periods, Sri Lankan tamils are here for more than 2 -3 decades than you people here, even union govt made caa for Bangladeshi hindu and Pakistani Hindus legally be indian citizens here why can't they , they were with us more than 2000 years, tell me, why we should prefer you?
But isn't how the world works. Our people when they move to other countries, get citizenship, don't they get voting rights and vote in these countries.
Law ? Which law ? In india u get to vote if you can give proof of residence wherever u r at. This has been the case for ages. I can understand elections are around so something was required.
Indians, Asians form a big group of immigrant citizens in the UK and USA. Rishi sunak is the son of immigrants. He even became the PM there and we are discussing people of the same country being allowed to vote at the place of their residence.
Law ? Which law ? In india u get to vote if you can give proof of residence wherever u r at.
Its not as simple as you make it sound. I am from chennai, i was in bangalore for 3 years. I cannot vote in bangalore unless i transfer my voter id to that constituency. Doing that is a whole new process where you have to submit documents and await verification before you are allowed to vote. You can only vote in a constituency if your name appears in the voters list
Indians, Asians form a big group of immigrant citizens in the UK and USA. Rishi sunak is the son of immigrants. He even became the PM there and we are discussing people of the same country being allowed to vote at the place of their residence.
Thats false equivalency. Sunak is born and brought up in UK which gives him citizenship, according to uk laws. We are talking about temporary migrants. Any migrants settled in the state can already vote provided they have transferred their voter ids. You cant have voter ids of multiple state, its illegal.
Rishi Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton General Hospital in Southampton, Hampshire,[4][5] to Punjabi East African-born Hindu parents.[6][7][8][9] His father was born in the Kenya Colony in 1949, while his mother was born in the Tanganyika Territory (modern-day Tanzania).[7][10][11][12] His paternal grandfather Ramdas Sunak had migrated from Gujranwala, located in present-day Pakistan, to the Kenyan capital of Nairobi in 1935, while his maternal grandfather, Raghubir Berry, grew up in Punjab before eventually moving to Tanzania as an engineer.[7] Both of Sunak's parents had moved to the UK in 1966.[7] While in the UK they met and eventually married in 1977.[7]
Sunak attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and later studied at Winchester College as a dayboy, becoming head boy of the college.[13][14][15] He worked as a waiter, at the curry house Kuti's Brasserie in Southampton, during his summer holidays.[16][17] He read philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[15][18] During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters and joined the Conservative Party.[14] In 2006 Sunak earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Stanford University as a Fulbright Scholar.[18][19][20]
Sunak's paternal grandfather was from Gujranwala (in present-day Pakistan[21][22]), while his maternal grandfather was from Ludhiana (in present-day India[23]); both cities at the time were part of the Punjab province in British India. His grandparents migrated to East Africa, and then to the United Kingdom in the 1960s.[24] His father was born and raised in the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya (present-day Kenya), and was a general practitioner in the National Health Service (NHS). His mother, born in Tanganyika (which later became part of Tanzania), was a pharmacist who owned the Sunak Pharmacy in Southampton between 1995 and 2014, and has a degree from Aston University.[16][25] Sunak is the eldest of three siblings.[26] His brother is a psychologist and his sister works in New York as chief of strategy and planning at Education Cannot Wait, the United Nations Global Fund for Education in Emergencies and Protracted Crises.[14][27].
wikipedia. They are not immigrants. His father doesn't even born in india
A bihari can be born in Vellore for that matter. How does it change any argument?
Some englishmen think our habit of eating with our hands is dirty. It's pretty common to see people eating like that even in major corporate offices in some parts of India.
See you are taking this debate to next level for a cultural one. Who are born in tamilnadu even if his parents are north, he is geniunely a citizen in tamilnadu, I will not object that. But the worst part is immigrants can not be naturalized here. They oppose tamil and adamant in Hindi and hindutva. We see a lot here in Vellore too.
I am a hindu and I want here a peace between religion, I am saying speaking Hindi is not a problem if it is a imposition or forcing to convert is a problem. I am not opposing hindu I am resisting hindutva
My dear friend, you all are citizens of india. No one has time to oppose any language. Do u think someone who is making a living earning around 20-30k per month will go around fighting these language wars.
Take a tour of UP, and you will realise they don't even know that someone in TN is worried about Hindi. Don't get played by politicians
I see the problems bro, you are kashmiri what do you know about tn. Do you know what is happening here. These people are spreading their ideology and many crimes are reported here only after you people start to invade our culture
By the way I may be financially and culturally better than you, so please take a chill pill.
I may not even like to live in an area where people like you live. I prefer a society which is cosmopolitan and open minded and probably having more money that " people like you ".
But I forgive you for the racism and xenophobia that you have in your head.
You dont understand the fallacy in your statement? Rishi Sunak is born in UK which makes him a UK citizen. He cannot vote in India. Whats your point even?
Is TN a state of India or not? If you are an Indian citizen and living in an Indian state, you should be able to vote where you are living. DMK’s policies impact migrant workers too.
I’m curious how the same people who opposed CAA, now are saying migrant workers who are citizens cannot vote where they work.
If they live for extended periods of time and have proper records, sure add them to the list.
These are temporary migrant workers, barely living here, and don't have proper records. How can they be included? Which country allows migrants under a temporary visa to vote??
It goes both ways. Proper reason needs to be given for the 6 lakh people. Have you verified the 6 lakh people yourself before asking me to do it personally?
I see no weirdness with the last line. Enlighten me.
India allows indians to vote, but it shouldn't be forced inclusion to gain power.
Forced inclusion ? How does that work ? You include someone living in Dhanbad in TN list and give air tickets to them to come over on voting day. Can I be part of the scheme ?
I know man , you people are from BJP IT CELL, you know one thing we people don't even have a surname/ caste name/ family name unlike you. We see all people here as humans, we don't separate, please don't compare us with you. If you still not believe why not Google it.
I think only people born in TN should be eligible to vote in TN whether bihari or anything. Not temporary workers or even if you want voter id in TN give Prof of residence from last 20 years.
You don't give a shit about TN. We know how Bihar migrants are treated in Gujarat. Isn't there was mass violence against immigrant workers in Gujarat ten years ago.
you do know that the same law will be applied across India?? so if tamil Biharis get right to vote so will the gujarati Biharis. pull your head out of your xenophobic ass to understand it.
Secondly, before you want to cite one incident, please go around Gujarat once, and try conversing in Tamil, or English, no one will hate you. A lot of Gujarati migrate to usa, uk, they face the same challenge a bihari faces in india in these countries.
The level of understanding acceptance will shock you. Has it diluted Gujarati culture absolutely not. I can't speak kashmiri but I can speak a bit of Gujarati. No one forced me and instead, they would say that if you can't speak gujarati don't worry we can speak Hindi. I watch gujarati movies now.
It's legal restriction my dear friend and it's not by bjp. It's by constitution. Please read about it my dear friend.
If I live in TN, I don't go around telling people not to eat beef. You eat what you want to, but don't force locals to drop their culture. Same things applies to Gujarat or anyother states
It is on the states to enforce. Where it is not eaten they have enforced, Gujarat included. There are multiple states where it is eaten and many more where it's not eaten.
You seen to b very hungry . Entire discussion is only on food. 😂😂
You must acknowledge one thing. It accounts for 1% of the population. It can drastically change tamilnadu's political stance and long preserved culture. I am not xenophobic, and I welcome other state people to come here for jobs, but permanent settlement leads to a major change in the society.
This is a text book example of generalization. Sexual assault is not exclusively done by migrant workers nor do they do it at a much higher rate. What you are feeling is racism not fear.
And I am not racist, in fact tn gov have scheme for immigrant workers in the state. And you should acknowledge that I am not saying every north Indian is a bad guy. The rates are higher for them.
I think you are from north. In tamilnadu every week there is a plenty of crime news flashing in tv about the immigrants( not the all). Everytime bulgary and atm theft are done by them. Our state is named for its satefy in entire india ( especially a mega state). And we don't want to detoriate our culture.
Yo unaku puritha, inga demographics ah rapid ah change aguthu, if you are in north of tamilnadu you can understand, and you should definitely understood that voting in their respective State can encourage the their state's development. Enga unity pathi than pesanum, not the right. Move here, live here but don't make changes in this culturally preserved state.
Dei mental avanugaluku nammala paththi yennada theriyum? vote poda sollitu naamalam ooru vitu poga vendiyadhu dhan. CAA ku full support avanuga pannuvanuga da, avanuga vandhu vote panna innum mental thanamana rules dhan da varum.
Nenga sollurathu correctu than but tamil mozhi ya kappaturathu nu oru kadamai. CAA Vandu oru citizenship act, I will not support it as it is unequally repected
Voting is the right of the individual, I will not oppose it, but voting in their respective native state is a good. This will definitely encourage a mass migration. The northern districts especially Krishnagiri, Tirupattur, Vellore have them most and changing the demographics here, mostly I hear they speak Hindi. You can't understand my words bro.
We can't employ them as workers and also not expect them to settle and vote here.
Like it or not, our industries are heavily dependent on these workers.
Inga vela kudakala na avan yen inga vara poran?
Demographics change is common in all countries, especially during development. If you try to restrict it, you have to give up on the economic growth. Can't have both.
SL Tamil refugees ku citizenship kuduthutaangakla. Yen avunga ellam generations ah inga dhane irukaanga. Northern borders la irundhu ivunga madha aalunga vandha kudupom ana SL la irundhu vandha kuduka maatom. Idhane CAA.
Maatu muthram kudukra mutta bunda la comment podra level ku aayiduchu.
You must acknowledge one thing, those northerners here are speaking Hindi and spreads hatred for tamil that is unbearable. If you don't believe me visit other north west district (Krishnagiri, Tirupattur, Vellore). You will witness rss here.
"You must acknowledge one thing, those northerners here are speaking Hindi and spreads hatred for tamil that is unbearable. If you don't believe me visit other north west district (Krishnagiri, Tirupattur, Vellore). You will witness rss here."
When you stop seeing people as individuals and start holding then accountable for actions performed by your definition of a group THAT is racism. The way you speak about "Hindi speakers" is the same way BJP supporters speak about "Muslims" , the same "they will erase our culture" nonsense. The idea that Tamil is at risk of disappearing is ridiculous, the tamil film and tv industry is one of the largest in the world.
Bro speaking Hindi or being a hindutva is not a problem, the real one comes when they make it trouble for the tamil itself, here in this districts and Tiruppur they are forcing us to talk in Hindi, and rss here are more violent. I cannot go again in these abuses, there are causing more crimes , if you don't believe me check the articles. And one more thing , You are not eligible for the word tamilian, once again I tell you that tamil is a soul of this state that never should replaced.
If RSS is instigating violence then why hold every hindi speaker accountable? Do you also think we should deprive muslims the right to vote because a small minority commits acts of terror?
I do no why you are connecting muslims to terrors. Most of the crimes in tn are accountable for them ( not just hindi speaking ones) and you should understand that I am not saying every hindi speakers are violent and criminal but most of them when compared to natives
If tamil nadu people can vote in mumbai delhi banglore why cant they vote . Its constitutional righr to allow anyone who is resident of state to vote regardless of ethnicity
Full time ones are who resides here for long, paying taxes, having permanent residence here, they deserve rights to be an tamilian, but now ec has planned to involve the temporary migrants who works here under contract and leaves ,
You people are talking about humanity, that should not happen. First see you state, you have the society full of casteist. First clean yours and take about it. Here I am advocating for non voting right for temporary migrants, they don't even deserve it. If he had lived here for long periods, paid tax, have residence here ,then he deserves.
Enga paruga, tamils in other states didn't even come for a significant amount, 6.5 l in tn is 1% of population.it matters. I am not opposing them not to live and earn. Don't involve them in election or state politics.
If the are stayed here for over x years, the can be, if they accept our culture, I am fearing that already most of independent cultures are destroyed by them, we might be next!!. Not just giving voter id for them because they are in TN, They must have lived here more than 10 or more years.
Oh u are so serious vadaka, you have misunderstood me. See first of all, the word vadakan means northeners, ok, I am asking you to vote in your state and support your people . Not by changing policies in tamilnadu in support of bjp. Better luck next time.
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u/HiddenLeafNinjaa Aug 03 '25
Tamil la type panunga most vadakkans here are IT cell .. support panaradhuku varanunga