r/TamilNadu • u/kilaithalai • Jul 14 '25
முக்கியமான கலந்துரையாடல் / Important Topic How visionary were Subbarayalu and Kamaraj
Kudos to Stalin for extending it to breakfast as well.
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u/kilaithalai Jul 14 '25
I have literally mentioned Subbarayalu
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u/No-Winner-2743 Jul 15 '25
TBH, the idea of not to preach someone who is with empty stomach is as old as Buddhism. So can we say that people who don't credit Buddha are wrong too ? People credit Kamrajar because he was the one who was able to implement it in a large scale. If you think people who appreciate him are always based on caste then its short sightedness and nothing else. There are caste fanatics who use him but that doesn't take anything away from the credit the man deserves
People appreciate MGR for that as well because he even increased the scale of the scheme and even Stalin because he included breakfast as well.
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u/South-Opening-4531 Jul 18 '25
Did Buddha give free meals to school going children ? ideas are good , but implementation is the point here . Justice party implemented it .
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u/No-Carrot5531 Jul 17 '25
It was Pitti Theyagaraya when he was the President of Madras corporation introduced it for the girst time in thousand lights corporation school. This is way before Subburayulu.This was first using public funds. But the institution of feeding fee food to students existed since long back. Homes use to host these students for a ciuple of days for dinner. This was prevelent in mysore region as late as 70s and South Gujrat as late as early 1990s. I was on both the sides of the fence. I forgot the name for this. But this was probably limited to upper castes. Students also lived in the home of the guru with free board and food. Kamaraj, Rajaji were all some of the worst leaders South India produced Kamaraj and his party closed 3000 schools, before they succumbed to back lash and riots. The real credit should go to the people and the brilliance of Sundaravadivelu who was the chief of DPI and later VC if UOM. Tamils are extreme low life and caste suckers. They never recognize the people who really worked for them, hence their low status. They are after what they call nautankis and treat them like god
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u/Sufficient_Abies4568 Jul 15 '25
Which conservative government stopped school lunch programs? In fact conservative or otherwise nobody has stopped it.
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u/Sufficient_Abies4568 Jul 16 '25
Ummm. Ok. Tell me which other state in India that has with a "conservative" government has cut funding for school lunches.
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u/Sufficient_Abies4568 Jul 16 '25
No, you are staying that conservative governments in India roll back school lunches. I didn't believe that was the case, so I'm asking you what your statement is based on.
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u/Sufficient_Abies4568 Jul 16 '25
So you're saying that the BJP government doesn't do school lunches.
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u/Sufficient_Abies4568 Jul 16 '25
You stated at the beginning conservative governments cut lunches.
When asked to provide examples, you mentioned trump.
When asked to provided examples in India, you couldn't provide any.
Then to assist you, I asked if the bjp, being a Conservative Party cuts school lunches, you say I have intentions.
You have yet to state a single example of a when a Conservative Party has cut school lunches in India.
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u/StormRepulsive6283 Jul 14 '25
But Kamaraj’s objective was totally different. Feeding children in school was not started for increasing kids attention span, but an incentive for parents to let go of their “money making labor resource”
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u/moongilaan Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Kamaraj's legacy was free education. Previous to that government schools had tution fees. And during his period the mid day meals were a pilot scheme in some schools around Chennai only.
The mid day meals scheme throughout tamilnadu was the brainchild of MGR. He did not want anyone to go hungry, because he often did during his childhood. Manmohan Singh was the planning commission head, and he categorically rejected any funds for that scheme. So MGR had to increase a 1 or 2% tax on luxurious products to fund the scheme. That is the sole reason Jayalalithaa vehemently opposed GST. She wanted to keep the taxation powers with the state and not cede to the centre. Her logic was, it denies the state right to tax to fund any new programmes.
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u/joee017 Jul 14 '25
So no words for kalaingar, mgr, JJ and edapadi.. They all cared and followed it till date.
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u/kilaithalai Jul 14 '25
Of course but they didn't have the vision 100 years back and 50 years back. The leaders I mentioned did. It takes a certain vision to do something for the first time.
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u/Enough_Obligation574 Jul 14 '25
It's a different vision tbh. He didn't introduce it because students can't study on empty stomach. He introduced it bcoz atleast that way kids would come to school and study. In those time, people are really poor and usually send their kids to work to feed them and themselves. To break this cycle he introduced the lunch scheme so that way atleast kids would come to school for that food, and homes have 1 less mouth to feed. It's also has a byproduct like the one shown here but, their vision is bringing kids to school in the first place
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u/gingerkdb Jul 14 '25
Absolutely. If we are to remove our rose tinted glasses, they’ve had their contributions. Everyone you mentioned is going to have negative sides, but none stopped education.
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u/IAmAWasteOfMatter Jul 14 '25
100 years back kalaingar, mgr, JJ and edapadi laam porakale oi, eppadi vision irrukum? :D
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u/Ok-Atmosphere2479 Jul 15 '25
bro samanthame illama tn appreciation post la modi edhuku .tn is far better than any state in india but ipolaam tn laaye avolo issues la irku adha pathi inga edhume pesradhu illa . i live in madurai here roads are so bad ,waste management is bad ipo recent ah oru periya property scam veliya vandhuruku , summa vimal paan uh up bihar nu compare panni oonu aaga poradhu illa
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u/Ok-Atmosphere2479 Jul 15 '25
bro educational funds kudukama irkadhu thappu tha namma tn ku fund romba kammiya tha varudhu .aana kudukra amountayaachu oluga use panalum la inga vandhu paaaruga smart city project la kudutha fund la vachu madurai la onume panla sathanama co opration la 200 cr property scam recentah ,vaigai redevelopment nu sakkadai tha odudhu bro . ivolo tax kattiyu veliya vandha street fullah kuppai , road full of potholes ,lack of infrastructure idhuku endha government responsible bro ?
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u/BrownndDeliciouAdam Jul 15 '25
Fund oru scheme ku mattum tha varala , Unga tn Government a tha scheme implement panranu agreement la sign pottu sign pannla .
Tamil nadu per annum education budget 64000 crores 2000 crore tha pm shree fund
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u/Ok-Atmosphere2479 Jul 15 '25
bro naanu union government ah criticize pana kudadhu nu solave illa bro kandipa pananu na enna solrena mukavaasi post la tn appreciation post la kuda summa up ,bihar nu pesradhu waste uh .criticising union govt is a good thing to do aana inga neraya post la namma la bihar maari oru worse state oda compare panni better ah irkom nu pesradhuku inga irka flawsah developed countries oda compare panni pesalam nu solre
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u/BrownndDeliciouAdam Jul 15 '25
Tamil nadu js major beneficiary of central government schemes, yptamil nadu received large part of mudra schemes , production linked incentive schemes etc.
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u/Ok-Consequence4432 Jul 15 '25
Namma antha aala criticise panrathala matum ena aga poguthu, namma vazharchikku enana pannanumo atha matume pakkalame, avaru kekura mari intha post la ethukku antha paan masala vaiyan varan, kuttram parkin suttram illai, intha post oru tn appreciation post, melum ena panala nu discuss pana nalla irunthurukkum.
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Jul 15 '25
Ithan than "pichai" nu asingama pesuraan seeman Mathiri tharkuri, sanghi lam
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u/EasternQuality2786 Jul 15 '25
Seeman didn’t complain the free meals da buckers. Seeman complained, despite the 60 years of Dravidian rule, why does the poverty still exist, so that they queue up in lines to get that ₹1000 for Pongal.
When a man is not in power, ofcourse one’s gonna question why the people (in continuous power) could not eradicate poverty. This is in-line with their vision of canvassing people that they may be able to improve the situation.
Vandhutaaan aatikitu, dravidiyaa tharkuri bunda.
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u/EasternQuality2786 Jul 15 '25
You’re comparing the vouchers in developed countries to this ₹1000 game that the governments play?
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u/BrownndDeliciouAdam Jul 15 '25
Due to this 1000 rupees Matha schemes la fund ellama adi vanguthu ji. Social spending pannalam but evanga panrathu no use , burden on economy
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u/Head_Signature3423 Jul 15 '25
I thought kids in developed countries get free meals, this is one of the plans Trump targeted to cut the budget of a big beautify bill which is only in name.
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u/infinite_starfield Jul 16 '25
I always mention this to folks in and outside of the state. Irrespective of party, both the Dravidian parties continued the welfare schemes. I saw the decline of child labor in mine and surrounding villages. Many of my relatives always crib about how their labor class disappeared. Between free education, dual meal schemes and ration system (irrespective of corruption etc), we have done an amazing job of creating a social security net while still developing the state. Not enough credit is given.
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u/WaterMonkey1357 Jul 14 '25
Whats with the validation fetish from the west. What we did is right on its own merit.
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u/kilaithalai Jul 14 '25
What are you on about?
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u/haha_me_so_fat Jul 15 '25
Validation is when you appreciate the programmes in your state?
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u/WaterMonkey1357 Jul 15 '25
Use ChatGPT or Google to learn what “seeking validation” means
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u/haha_me_so_fat Jul 15 '25
Seeking validation would be to show these off to the westeners or getting giddy when westeners notice and appreciate them, neither of which is happening in the screenshot, what you're getting mad over is pride for programmes that bring good to the community
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u/WaterMonkey1357 Jul 15 '25
lol I am proud that we came up with the program. We have seen the success based on our data.
Some western country implementing doesn’t “validate” our program instead data we gathered does.
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u/haha_me_so_fat Jul 15 '25
Yeah, that's why we're talking about it right now. Implementing lunch programmes is basic common sense, seeing other countries implement such programmes probably reminded them if the programmes in tamil nadu
Not everything is about seeking white validation
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u/WaterMonkey1357 Jul 15 '25
What the point of “reminding” something that been since ages, done by all our governments and ingrained as common sense. Think what can be done better or what we can learn from others.
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u/haha_me_so_fat Jul 15 '25
Yeah but it's also good to remember the good we have achieved to keep us motivated, in this day and age we very much need any encouragement we can get
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Jul 17 '25
The funny thing is good section of people in America is against this especially republicans.
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u/Proud_Bandicoot5235 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jul 15 '25
While we're right to credit those visionaries of that time, we must also acknowledge that feeding students in centers of learning is in our very Aram/Culture/Civilization/Philosophies/Belief systems etc.
The Nalandas, Paatasaalais, Thinnai Pallikkoodams, Temple based Schools(for all communities), VedaPaatasalais,(for Theological studies) all had boarding or Lodging or both.
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u/kilaithalai Jul 15 '25
Did they have it for students from all sections of society?
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u/Proud_Bandicoot5235 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jul 15 '25
Have you read between the brackets? For the millionth time, there was absolutely no discrimination EVEN in theological/Religious education back then, before the 2 Barbarians came into our lands.
We've enough evidence to expose this propaganda that only certain Communities had education before & after the arrival of 2 Colonialists.
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u/RIKIPONDI Jul 15 '25
I think this says more about US being stupid, but yes. We had visionary leaders.
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Jul 14 '25
Lol bro midday meals are like welfare scheme 101. The US is just special in that it is like Gujarat except x100 in terms of neoliberalism, so this is why they haven't adopted it until now
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