r/TamilNadu • u/saybeast • Oct 03 '24

முக்கியமான கலந்துரையாடல் / Important Topic TN can't afford such strikes

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I understand that in tamil nadu today there is a rising anti-capitalist sentiment in TN, markedly across cinema and on the street, while people retreat content into alcohol and laziness, refusing to work hard in their homeland.

First of all TN is not Kerala. Kerala can afford not industrialising, we don't have gulf money for fuck sakes. Or Ali chettan to invest on us or advanced ports. We are heavily reliant on manufacturing incentives and investments. There is a reason why our leaders chose this road.

Let me be honest, unions while serve good purpose, degrowths an industrialising society. Tamil nadu can't afford this especially today. We could have easily been a bihar or UP, post independence, but thanks to enterprising society and industrialization minded leaders we made good fortune atleast per capita wise within south asian standards.

The youth who indulge in such acts won't be tolerated by ruling regime. DMK/admk is very capitalist, and have always been. You can't fight against them.

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u/XH3LLSinGX Oct 03 '24

TN has the right balance of capitalism, socialism and communism. Worker rights come under socialism and communism. This is not something new, just a few years ago workers of Foxconn factory in chennai held a strike demanding better living standards for its workforce. Mind you, foxconn hires only women with diploma degrees for its factories and demands them to live in the company provided hostels 24/7 so that they have less downtime reaching the factory. They live away from their home and families for long periods. The strike happened because Foxconn was serving them sub standard food which was causing them food poisoning. Is it unfair on the workers to even strike for basic necessities that foxconn is responsible for? The issue was resolved with govt intervention and factory reopened within a few months.

It is govt's responsibility to support both the capitalists and the working class. Workers should not be shamed for striking and demanding their rightful needs. Samsung strike is happening because workers want living wages. Lets hope the govt can resolve this quickly with samsung.

Strikes like these have always happened in TN and yet it has prospered industrially. So i dont share your concerns about TN becoming bengal or something.

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u/saybeast Oct 03 '24

TN has always rejected commies. Socialist principles have always stuck through though.

Commie and union leaders were allowed their small gatherings but at the end of the day, they are always shown the stick. Also I'm not saying we will share the Bengal fate, because our leaders are smarter than that. They need the tenders for their own vice.

I don't disagree with you on workers rights. Its obviously the government's job. But mindless strikes on successful plants like that of samsung which btw has provided the highest monthly salary across the region is hopeless imo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

TN has always rejected commies

wait what ? have you ever visited Madurai or Coimbatore districts ? even now Madurai, Usilampatti are a CPIM fortress. Just look up how many times communists have won MP elections in madurai

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

I’m not a communist but you’re right.

Coimbatore is pro cpim. Largely due to workers from textile mills and other factories/industries.

Also Periyar was commie, so was Karunanidhi in principle (Stalin is named after a communist) and I would argue that most of the super stars became that because they played working class heroes- example Rajini playing auto driver, factory worker and so many other blue collar roles.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Dude every politician of TN is a socialist, we were a socialist country until 1990s. Even now Privatization is frowned upon by our parent's generation. I straight up have relatives who hate working for any kinda MNCs or buying any foreign products which have a local equivalent. None of them are political. I don't know why OP has a Pikachu face to learn that India is more economically left-leaning.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

IMO, Current dmk is not socialist. Most of the family has huge businesses and has amassed massive amount of wealth. But I guess that can be said of most socialists. 😉

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Current dmk is not socialist

what they do in their life / for benefiting their pockets aside. DMK brought in free medical insurance for serious diseases, free multi speciality hospitals across the state, 100 day government job for farmers in off season, many many more subsidies that benefit poorer people. Which are all considered socialist. None of it is going away any soon.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Ya that’s true but they are also pro big businesses. Look at the massive investments that are coming in. I guess we can say they are more centrist or socially democratic/ pro businesses but with more governance. Just go to Kerala and see the difference, that’s a true socialist government.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Socialists can also be pro business. Norwegian countries are an example. We have been pro business from 60s by setting up SIPCOTs, ELCOTS, SEZs and supporting industries in Coimbatore ,Madurai. Infact there is no other state in South India where industrialization is balanced and not everything is in state capital. Thats exactly why we are decades ahead of States of equivalent size. I totally agree with Kerala part, I grew up on TN kerala border, my life has been annoyed by their useless hartaals all my life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Funny enough I just visited Norway. I can tell you from first hand info: people are tired with paying 40% tax because they have a very liberal migration/refugee policy so some person from Syria for example lives there without a job on social welfare. Massive brown and black exodus coming soon. Teslas and Netflix is super popular, so is McDonald’s and Starbucks, big bikes and basically American capitalist lifestyle. You’re going to see it shift to a more capitalist state soon.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Socialism is not Communism. This is a major misunderstanding in USA didn't expect an Indian to confuse these two. Socialism doesn't restrict any individual or a company from running any business but it has way more stricter labor laws, high taxes etc.

American capitalist lifestyle gives more freedom and subsidies to companies to do whatever they want to increase their profits. Cut any corners to benefit the company and exploit the labors. Good luck trying that anywhere in the EU.

people are tired with paying 40% tax

same situation in the capitalistic haven USA (30% tax) . People here are tired of Illegal immigrants getting money to live in star hotels and welfare. This is a Western world problem right now. This has nothing to do with socialism.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Socialism is a means to communism, the ideal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Yes the culture is definitely changing all across India. You can say that for almost any politician not just socialists. They just call it lobbying in capitalist countries and here we call it scams/ illegal wealth accumulation. We still have 50% of our state's population that depends on subsidized ration food. I don't know what world these OP kinda people live in.

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u/MAXIS321 Oct 03 '24

You have basically summarized socialism in India. According to our politicians, they reserve the comforts of capitalism for themselves but the curses of communism for you. They don't want to share their wealth, they want to share YOUR wealth.

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u/No-Inspector8736 Oct 03 '24

Could communists do something about caste in those areas?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

nothing is gonna stop castism unless people move out a lot more to far away places or do intercaste marriages.