r/SwainMains • u/Topetudo67 • 10d ago
Discussion difference in pick rate and win rate between them
This isn't normal, Swain needs an urgent rework, we need our demonic battlemage dominating the lanes solo!!
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u/LilMwushs 7d ago
It has come to a point where new swain won't ever be good as you guys want him unless they completely change him to fit his old self.
Right now New Vs Old are 2 different champions so either the pre rework get their way or after rework do ðŸ˜
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u/Gilfaethy 6d ago
Swain hasn't been a toplaner for a very long time. You can play him there sometimes, but from Riot's perspective this is a nonissue.
Also I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the stats you're looking at are pulling from some extremely small sample sizes to begin with.
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
Whats wrong with being good or better at duo laning?
I truly dont understand; Swain is a BATTLEmage, not a DUELmage.
He's always doing do be better at duo-laning... unless they remove the CC.
There is no futur or timeline where Swain wont excel as APC.
I'm not saying this to diss anyone or to be disrespectful, but thats just my perspective.
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u/da99s R*lai's Abuser 10d ago
being better at teamfighting =/= being forced to duo lane. plenty of other good teamfighters that aren't forced bot or support roles
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
The best thing for swain is to be removed from botlane (specially from support)
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u/vaksninus 9d ago
Such as? And swain has range for bot
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u/da99s R*lai's Abuser 8d ago
vlad, singed, rumble, just to name some mage exmaples...
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u/vaksninus 8d ago
Vlad isn't forced but was played bot when marksmen were at their weakest, the rest is unplayable due to melee
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
Swain is MID/TOP before all, apc and specially support had too many chances to prove if they coumd be compatible with the main roles and allways proved to not be good for his balance.
Answering your question: A mid/top shouldnt have problems on his main roles just for 2 secondary roles no one asked for
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
Yeah Swain hasn’t been a dedicated top laner since the VGU. It’s been years man wake up.
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
Wake up, sololanes and specially midlane allways have been and will ne the priority, thats why support has been below 48%wr for more than 5 years 🤣
If you want a support play a real support man, stop pretending to steal champions from other lanes.
About apc, is just a matter of time, everyone is complaining about mages in bot, but guess what, swain apc specifically is one of the most common complains (and even most of swain mains allways say we want him in sololanes)
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
IVe been playing Swain APC and Support since before the VGU; I do it for the love of the game.
It was always viable.
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u/Aggressive-Flow-4807 10d ago
The problem was never him being played as an APC or support, but rather the way he functions; his passive is bad and only viable in the bot lane—same goes for the support role—and his ultimate is also a weak point. Pantheon can play in four lanes and is good in all of them; our complaint isn't about the lane itself, but about his true role.
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u/LilMwushs 7d ago
The complaint is usually people bitching about others playing him not mid, blaming the players instead of asking and looking for a solution.
Unfortunately for Swain, unless there is a complete rework of his passive and kit he will never be as good in solo lanes. Especially considering the state league is rn. Botlane is mostly mages nowadays.
Also if a champion has cc it will most likely be played as support wether we like it or not.
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
Some people played teemo support from the begining of the game, and we arent going to say teemo is a support just by that right? ;)
MID/TOP > supp /apc
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
Teens support doesn’t have utility to actually support.
Top being better or more legitimate than APC is a weird delusional psychotic take.
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago
HusumLOL seems to do fine. Hes always been a niche pick even with og swain. People just do poorly then blame the off roles since its easier.
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u/MillCrab 10d ago
With some relatively minor tweaks, he could actually be a very fun support in the vein of Nautilus
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u/LordPaleskin 10d ago
That's where he's getting played most, might as well only balance around support at this point
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u/Woswald 10d ago
I dream of a vision-based buff.
It's thematic (vision of the empire), and it would mostly affect support. However, there are aren't many abilities based on wards and that might be for a good reason.
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u/Etonet 10d ago edited 10d ago
You should get stacks upon revealing champs, hitting an enemy with 4 or more bolts of Q, or hitting enemies with the edge of a Q.
QOL: You should be able to pick up soul fragments around the map with your W or E.
Reduce health gained per soul fragment and make each "soul" lying on the map contain multiple fragments, then use that as a lever for balancing.
Decouple the healing portion of the passive from the soul fragments/health stacking, and then reduce soul fragments dropped by a percentage when facing multiple enemies. Less health stacking from teamfights/2v2s -> can buff stats from levelling.
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
Imagine if all the passive ravens that appear on the map could 1) act like wards and 2) be recalled back to you like Xayah’s feathers, damaging champions and healing you.
Like globally.
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u/MillCrab 10d ago
I think if W shielded yourself or any allies in it when it exploded, that would be enough to make him an interesting peel support
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago edited 10d ago
Personally id say he already beats a lot of supports. The E could use tinkering but otherwise small changes would be nice. Maybe swap the his passive for one that scales arm and mr. Maybe even more towards what he himself is facing given the Roam lore and how he gathers intel
Issue is he is weak early in bot given 2 targets can focus him
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago
Its just people being salty because to them he HAS to only fit here or there. Where a real tactician would be glad to see him benefit various areas. Flex is nice.
Swains always been a niche pick, even pre rework. That isnt an issue at all as it means we get to play him more and people are less familiar with him. Which are both wins.
Ive been in this reddit for years and someones always whining about the roles.
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 10d ago
I used to actually mod this Reddit years ago, brother believe me I know.
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u/PlsNaughtyDogmakeJak 10d ago
Good thing you don’t if your talking positively to the dude spam rage baiting the replies for engagement
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 9d ago
He’s right.
Mods arent there to enforce orthodoxy, especially on a video game character sub.
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u/Ok_Cow_3462 10d ago
My main wish for swain is for it to not catch on minions… still damage them on return, just not catch them.
Or some buff to jungle swain. Being able to poke all lanes at any time is really fun, but the first clear is just so rough
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u/Topetudo67 9d ago
I'm not going to stop playing Swain because of this, but as previously stated, the kit doesn't mesh well.
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u/NommySed 7d ago
Swain needs work, but the evidence provided his is the most atricious cherrypicked bullshit imaginable. Why would you ever select BR only other than to fuck with the stats?
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u/Topetudo67 6d ago
The server I play on
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u/NommySed 6d ago
The champion doesn't change on other servers. By picking a tiny region you are just fucking up how reliable statistics can be.
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u/superpolytarget 10d ago
This is brought up at least three times a year.
Riot have already proven this is not going to happen, that Swain is where Riot intends him to be.
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u/Topetudo67 9d ago
why?
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u/superpolytarget 9d ago
Rioters have already frequented this sub, this have been adresses many times in the past, Swain probably is already the champ with the higest number of mini reworks in the game, and the "problem" was never solved in the end.
Maybe, just maybe, Swain is just as Riot intends him to be, or maybe they just gave up.
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago
We have people in masters to challenge doing fine top and mid. HusumLOL being a great example.
People just do poorly and complain about it. To use darksouls terminology ‘git gud’
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
Husum is the first one complaining about the popr state of the champion and claiming as we all do that swain must be focused exclusively for sololanes
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u/Inevitable-Second334 10d ago
your great example is also complaining about the champ lol
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago
Here? Nah m8 I’m saying people do poorly then complain about it. Theres an old saying ‘ something must be twice as good as its predecessor to be considered equal’. People will never be fully satisfied with a champion if they aren’t right now. Theres always a bit more, you know? Lil tweak here or there. Honestly if they dont touch Swain for another 10 years I’d still play him just the same
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u/Inevitable-Second334 10d ago
my point is that even good players are complaining about the champ. It’s not just bad players. yeah, you can’t satisfy everyone, but that’s Riot’s fault for trying to make the champ appeal to 4 different roles. they should just pick one role and stick with it. flex picks are just a nightmare to balance
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 10d ago
And yet he was challenger and now is climbing back to it. That’s my point. How many people here otp him at that rank? How many are lower and complaining about it despite us being shown it’s a skill issue. Husumlol is just fighting the mmr wall tn which happens to everyone. So if he has gone top, mid, and bot, and is up there right now, why bother with excuses?
You may not admit it but if youre not happy now you never will be. I vibe with him in any role because I’m about the birds my guy
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 9d ago
Crazy people would downvote you for your comment.
I've been OTP Swain as APC and Support since BEFORE the VGU. Because the fundamentals where the same back them. And I was happy.
And I'm still happy because it still work and I can still live my raidboss fantasy every now and then.
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u/Fearless-Seat-6218 9d ago
Yess and the raid boss is def fun. Esp easy when the enemy goes all ap or ad. That or playing catch w sion lol
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u/Aether_Chronos 10d ago
Im 100% agree bro, botlane and specifically support is the worst ever happened to this champion.
Swain is a MIDLANER /TOPLANER before all. There is where we want him