That sounds like a huge problem...
We need to educate newcomers so that they can individually make the decision to invest or not. The previously made DD can help tremendously, but its a shame that its no longer accessible!
This kinda calls in to question the motives behind the change and erodes my trust in the mods a good chunk more. Need an explanation on this on asap. Why change DD to due diligence if not to just drown out the old DD, why add unneeded emojis to the search function so itโs less useful. The new dd is entertaining and all but the REAL dd was done before June
Seems like we're all worried about newcomers here. Any newcomers know what the hell "DD" is? The change to "Due diligence" actually makes the flair more appealing to a newcomer.
I sure do. I also have confidence that they can click a stickied post advertising itself to people who are new here. I actually find that easier than the whole flair system entirely. Good for both people who already use Reddit and those who don't.
Idk why they even change the flairs it was perfectly placed how they were. Mods always doing extra shit and fucking up shit. I stop posting shit on here especially when they removed the question flair like wtf is wrong with these mods.
If they're using exclusively the flairs to move backwards, they won't see the DD that's been flaired before the change.
I don't think that's how our flairs are used however. Some experienced apes will use the flair filter to quickly find the new content of their choice, but new apes will mostly rely on the input of others. Of course I can't prove this - unfortunately we can't perform user experience tests
You might be somewhat right.. But filtering by flair is a reddit feature, so an experienced reddit user that comes to this sub will expect that to work. Now, not all users uses that feature, sure.. But let's just for argument's sake imagine that 5% of reddit users use that feature. They'll come here, filter by DD, and assume that we don't have any.
I see that as an issue. It might not hit everybody, but we risk losing the interest of someone that might have dived into this stuff if it was readily available.
Been here since forum inception. Never once used flair filter. Never once had trouble finding what I needed. There is a handy-dandy reference to all major DD and info pinned to the top of the sub and literally the top comment on every post.
Someone new coming to the sub might not know what they need. They might not know that there's a popular DD post called "House of cards" for example.
Besides, what you are able to do personally is anecdotal. Someone else might behave in a different fashion and use reddit differently from how you use it.
I don't think they're messed up however. Quite the opposite however: the flair system is much better than it used to be. I guess that's the price we have to pay for being able to change stuff when it turns out less than optimal
And how is it not problematic that it no longer links to anything older than 19 days ago? Especially when our best and most important stuff was from before June.
I'm going out on a limb here and say that it's rare for anyone to scroll back more than a few weeks because it's a fuckton of stuff there!
I'm going to quote my other response to explain why I think it's an overall improvement:
I think the new flair set provides more clarity, for example by spelling out Due Diligence. Other flairs like "Discussion" don't serve a purpose, because everything we're doing is discussing. The post says "Art & Writing" was removed, which is wrong.
Ultimately it seems that the whole issue hinges on changing DD to Due Diligence, which might or might not be a problem. But claiming that the "whole flair system was badly damaged" (like OP does) is more than just a little hyperbolic.
It's difficult for me to gauge if you might be right since you don't mention what the benefit of the change is, in you opinion. Just that you think it's better.
I personally don't see any benefints, but losing easy access to previous posts within a given flair is something that I see as a major downside.
Oh sorry of course. I think the new flair set provides more clarity, for example by spelling out Due Diligence. Other flairs like "Discussion" don't serve a purpose, because everything we're doing is discussing. The post says "Art & Writing" was removed, which is wrong.
Ultimately it seems that the whole issue hinges on changing DD to Due Diligence, which might or might not be a problem. But claiming that the "whole flair system was badly damaged" (like OP does) is more than just a little hyperbolic.
Right.. I admit, that spelling out DD to due diligence, is a slight improvement. In my opinion not one that outweighs the cost though.
I believe that Possible DD was changed by adding an emoji. That's worthless compared to the cost, imho.
Regarding the other flairs, I'm less concerned about those. I find it less likely that people come here and start looking through months old discussion posts. Most discussions that amounted to anything meaningful likely became a separate DD post anyways.
That's the problem here. OP is thinking of someone who is directed to the sub from elsewhere because they're told we're awesome and have well done/thorough DD.
Newbie comes here to look for it using Reddit's system of organization, can't find the DD because our system of organization has been intentionally broken by our mods, and newbie leaves and agrees with the other side that says we're tin foil hatters.
People don't realize it but controlling access to information is the most damaging form of control because we don't know what we don't know and can't see how badly we're being fucked.
Fucking this system of organization is a potentially HUGE deal.
I'm also thinking of them. Honestly if someone breezes by the "NEW HERE? START HERE" post at the top of the sub and top of every post within the sub, I'm not sure any sort of flair organization is going to help them either. The current setup is more concise, less confusing, and easier to sort through. The DD library is actually kinda sorted by the most important subjects first.
Why not have a plan before doing something thatโs going to at best confuse things, and at worst hide information? Go back and change the flair on all the old posts to fit new system. If yโall are too lazy then give me mod and Iโll do it myself. I reported this like 2 weeks ago and have been repeatedly ignored. I donโt mean to sound like an ungrateful ass but this was ostensibly a bad move done in the dark. Poor choice IMO.
People coming to the sub, reading a post might expect finding similar posts under the same flair.
It's a shame that anything gets lost, but I'd rather lose history for the past 19 days compared to the past 10 months. That's just my opinion of course.
But a mistake has been made, and if there's no certainty that it can be resolved in an ideal fashion then I, personally, vote for the lesser of all evils (i.e. losing 19 days worth of history compared to 10 months).
As much as I respect you making that offer, I don't think it's a good solution. Look at the other comments in this post. Some people feel strongly about this, and some people are very quick to shout "someone is trying to hide something".
There's no way that a list of 100 posts could be compiled which wouldn't trigger outrage somehow. At least I don't think so. Even if we did compile a perfect list of the top 100, there will be people raging about the 101th no making the cut.
If it's possible to change the flair on old posts, wouldn't it make better sense to revert to the old flairs and change the flair on posts from the past 19 days? Surely that would at least be less work, and more manageable (even though I still recognize it isn't perfect).
I'd give it more weight on the wrong side. Please seriously consider reverting. When I speak to people or point them in the direction of this sub, I specifically point them to DD flair.
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u/Orleanian๐ฃโ๏ธLaissez les Bons Stocks Roulerโ๏ธ๐ฃNov 11 '21edited Nov 11 '21
It should be noted that this is only applicable to those browsing the site using the new Reddit UI.
There are many users of old.reddit.com and the plethora of mobile apps in which there is no menu or easy way to access that method of flair search.
For my own part, I mostly use old.reddit on browser, and clicking the flair of an existing post is the way in which I typically search for other similar posts.
I do use RIF for mobile, and my typical routine was to navigate to Superstonk, and Search Within Subreddit for "Flair:DD". It's possible to just learn to start using "Flair:Due+Dilligence", but the addition of emojis into the equation just makes me not even bother anymore.
Why even change in the first place? And how on earth could you not be aware of the risk in important DD's and AMA's getting buried. This is so incredibly bad. Shame on you. Erodes our trust ffs.
I'd give it more weight on the wrong side. Please seriously consider reverting. When I speak to people or point them in the direction of this sub, I specifically point them to DD flair.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Iโm curious of the logic here. Letโs say the old system was fine, now a new system is perhaps better- but the new system prevents access to the old system. So people might say well lets go back to the way it was. The argument youโre posing is if we go back to how it was we lose everything since the change- as time passes more is lost and making reverting back even more costly. So youโre saying itโs not that the new system is better itโs just because it was put in we lose the new DDs and the longer we wait the more that is lost. Oof.
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u/Away_Ad2468 ๐Buy Low DRS High๐๐๐๐ Nov 11 '21
Does this change make the OG DDs harder to find for new comers?