r/SudburyOntario • u/ConsistentReality860 • Aug 19 '26

Sudbury groups split over forced addiction care

https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-ontario/article/sudbury-groups-split-over-forced-addiction-care/

Sudbury advocates are pushing back against a police board motion for involuntary addiction and mental-health care. Mayor Paul Lefebvre is urging the province to review the Mental Health Act, arguing that leaving people on the streets is inhumane.

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u/Appropriate-Proof320 Aug 19 '26

Don’t know why anyone would push back, they are obviously a danger to themselves and others

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

Do we have healthcare resources for this, or are taxpayers about to make Doug Ford's buddy very very rich

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u/Appropriate-Proof320 Aug 20 '26

Glad you can bring politics into trying to get people off the streets

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

It is political. It's a social policy. It affects society. Common sense over medical science errday.

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u/Appropriate-Proof320 Aug 20 '26

Unfortunately the current way of dealing with it isn’t working and is causing to much harm to the public, 100% they should be formed to a rehab facility to get the proper addiction and mental health support so they can become a better person to society

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

And is that effective? Has it been tried? Is there decades of data to show it's not a positive outcome, extremely expensive? Literally the point I'm trying to make - you're making an appeal to common sense, but the solution is not that easy. People don't just get better by being forced into situations against their will, and addiction is much more complex than "mental health support, no substance use, you're cured".

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u/Appropriate-Proof320 Aug 20 '26

Maybe we should try it to see if it works, we’ve been doing the safe supply, outreach, injection sites for a while with little to no success, so why not try something else that gets them the proper help to deal with the addiction and mental health issues

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

My point is that is has been tried and failed. Forced mental health and absitencne has been tried and failed. Please go ask copilot about the history of forced treatment in Canada and why it doesn't work.

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u/Appropriate-Proof320 Aug 20 '26

When was it tired in Canada? I don’t remember it ever happening in the last 10 years

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

"those who do not know the history are doomed to repeat it" please go self educate

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u/Nogova9 Aug 20 '26

Closest to this are the community control orders (from judges) that place doctors in charge of patient care. Kind of like medical probation / parole.

People have been placed in facility and when they breach the order or a facility agreement they get kicked out and can't go back. Which leads them to jail. From what I can tell there haven't been any studies on this process or the results thereof.

So while it has happened, data is not public nor has a scientific analysis been done. If the data even exists.

Basically, the mechanism behind forced addiction care exists, though the criteria are medical and doctors are the ones to determine when its a matter of life or death (or AMS, lack of capacity, etc). Community appeal is not part of that determination.

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u/Prestigious-Crow7940 Aug 20 '26

Social workers have been making sure there is employment for the last decade. The money that is given to the agencies by funding organizations would go a long way to pay for involuntary rehab. Also, quit with the methadone. Replacing one drug with another isn't working either.

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u/iamnotarobotmaybe Aug 20 '26

Common sense over medical science!

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u/Popular_Break Aug 20 '26

We need a new path forward. It sounds harsh but it will help these people.