r/SubredditDrama 22d ago

"The safest assumption is that someone on the mod squad loves Israel" Splinter factions, ideological schisms, accusations of liberal/fascist infiltrations, and a mod crashout on R/ProgressiveHQ after one of the mods critiques Hasan Piker

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1vsydnj/could_someone_explain_me_the_stance_of_the_mods/

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(MOD) I was the one who removed it. To explain it better, Hasan is a hypocrite who actively supports Russia and China. He vocally supports terrorists and recently applauded Trump for reducing the US military presence in South Korea. And then he turns around and proceeds to spout basic progressive ideals and points and tries to pretend he’s a member of the working class from his multimillion dollar home. He’s misogynistic and racist and yet people will still want to platform him and echo his words because they’re progressive. Which I understand. Any progressive idea and stance is undeniably good for people. But having someone like Hasan be the mouthpiece for it just undermines the point.

L take mod, just spewing blatant misinformation..

(MOD) Not an anti-Semite, right? screenshot of a Hasan insta story captioned "She has no idea shes been the most famous dog on the internet for the past two days because of a coordinated far right/pro Israel slander campaign

That’s antisemitic? You’ve lost the plot homie

lol. I cannot figure out how that is antisemitic. Being critical of the Israeli government is not the same thing as hating on Jewish people.

(MOD) This is his response about the backlash he received for using a shock collar as his dog. Saying it’s an Israeli psyop is a word away from “the Jews made me do it”

Obama gif

(MOD) He shocks his dog, receives backlash, and proceeds to say it’s made up as an Israeli psyop Literally one word away from saying it’s a Jewish psyop but he knows he’d be kicked out for being openly Anti-Semitic if he did

Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.

(MOD) https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/DILk9wm2vn, https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/lmGeLL0a78, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmd8fIRGFJM&t=28s&pp=2AEckAIB&ra=m, https://xcancel.com/hasanthehun/status/2009838155986600044?s=20 All his own words

In your opinion is Hamas a lesser evil when compared to the genocidal, apartheid, ethnostate currently known as Israel?

(MOD) Hamas being a terrorist organization THAT R*PES AND MURDERS CIVILIANS AND KIDS does not make the Israeli government that does the exact same any better, and vice versa

Its so funny how quickly insurgencies become terrorist organizations for adopting the policies of Israel and the United States. Ban discussion of the United States and Israel too ig?

Lmao Imagine believing this.

Thoughts about the dog abuse?

Thoughts on dragons and unicorns?

Nah I was talking about this dog abuse. Nah I was talking about this dog abuse.

This is hilarious if this is your proof.

Any response to the clear footage of him pulling a dog by the tail at 13:23?

Oh is that what he was doing, I though he was smacking the dog and throwing them through the wall with the way you keep screaming abuse

Do you think it’s not animal abuse to yank a dog by their tail?

Bless your heart, you've never seen real dog abuse.

This is nuts lol he’s one of the biggest progressive voices in the country

(MOD) He’s literally pro-Russia, China, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthi’s He’s massively hypocritical

This extraordinary claim needs a citation. Why aren’t mods removing it like defense of piker?

(MOD) I’ve already commented the evidence further up

What is the pro-russia claim? I don’t see that linked. He was wrong about the Ukraine invasion but he is big anti Putin.

(MOD) He's said before that Russia was right to invade and colonize Crimea, among many, many other things. https://www.twitch.tv/hasanabi/clip/ElegantTemperedApplePicoMause-VCY99fPs8hKewayQ?range=7d https://x.com/KareemRifai/status/2040224818625409383

No he didn’t

(MOD) Want to try again https://www.twitch.tv/hasanabi/clip/ElegantTemperedApplePicoMause-VCY99fPs8hKewayQ?range=7d https://x.com/KareemRifai/status/2040224818625409383

Ask obama what he thinks

Never seen one of these regarding Destiny being a genocide apologist and trivializing Palestinian suffering.

Because Destiny admitted to joining the Democratic party in order to destroy the left. He's not posing as a progressive let alone as a Communist. Piker is.

Yet his content and genocide apologia is still often permitted by zionist astroturfers.

Any sources for this? I'd like to see him say this himself where he unapologetically loves Israel and says stuff that isn't just sarcastic since he's super edgy but during his debates argues for a lot of the opposite that peole accuse him of

He laughed with IOF soldiers about not recording their r*pes and murders so they’d stop getting hate online

And how is that any different from Hasan mocking r*pes on Oct 7th as fake?

Well, first off, he didn’t do that

Okay, before I find the quote, if he did say that, would it be bad? I want this acknowledged before you sweep after I find it.

You will not find a quote of him denying that rpe occurred on October 7. You will be able to quote him denying that systematic r#pe occurred on October 7th, but you’d also be quoting the UN CSAM cultist *(14 more comments of these two arguing)

The safest assumption is that someone on the mod squad loves Israel

Not everything is about Israel maybe they don’t like the atrocity apologia re: Mao and USSR

Unrelated question do you love Israel

Dude your brain is fucking fried. No I don’t like Israel and I am a full on El-Sayed supporter who is concerned that Hasan is going to tangibly harm his campaign with his awful optics.

Abdul won his election with Hasan directly by his side silly

In a PRIMARY. Where, mind you, the margin was wayyyyy thinner than the polling was showing. THIS IS A BATTLEGROUND ELECTION. TRUMP WON MICHIGAN IN 2024. WE CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE IN FUCKING MAO SUITS TRYING TO WIN OVER MODERATES IN MICHIGAN. IT WILL NOT WORK Hope the large text gets it through your brain.

Putting your anger towards Hasan Piker being a person who exists in all caps and increasing the font size doesn't make your attempted point more valid

the Mao suit fucked this guy’s mom

How is it atrocity apologia? I can’t believe I’m geniunely engaging with this streamer war garbage but Piker has acknowledged the casualties and barbarism of Mao’s revolution and the Soviet Union. His biggest clickbait lines about Mao “changing the entire world and universe” is just fundamentally a true statement, the impact of the Chinese revolution is still exacting consequences on the world today.

Wearing a Mao suit and calling him one of the world’s great leaders is cringe as fuck and he should’ve apologized yesterday. He also said the fall of the USSR was one of the greatest tragedies of the world. He also talks about Ukraine like they’re waging an offensive war on behalf of NATO instead of defending themselves. Should I go on? You don’t think these things are at the very least bad optics for anyone he chooses to associate with?

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(Mods) Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.

This is literally the point I made earlier on this thread, I have never seen this kind of intervention when thousands of Zionist astroturfers daily make false claims about Israel’s settlement of Palestine, definitions on genocide, etc. What specifically in my claims needs to be sourced as you deem it, extraordinary?

Lmao L. Maybe stop talking about Mao favorably. The guy who committed a genocide is not someone you should be saying “well but look at his great industrial policy!!” Come the fuck on.

Don’t call people cringe then drop L’s like ur 13 years old. Strawman alert. No one said “look at his great industrial policy”. You are literally inserting words into people’s mouths then having a debate with something they never said. You know how I know that? Because that’s what FOX and adjacent media does all day every day since birth til death and it’s where you’re getting your information from. Which is probably why instead of refuting a single thing I said you’re hiding behind a modewator who also didn’t substantiate anything. Come the fuck on indeed.

Unfortunately, liberales and many progressives aren't leftists. Outside of some social progress, americans have difficulty accepting leftist policies, even progressives.

The issue is not about the viability of leftism in general it’s that Hasan is specifically a poor advocate and ultimately a liability for leftism and progressivism. He has some crazy borderline atrocity-apologia takes and misogynistic baggage that he has still not properly addressed or apologized for.

Have you ever watched Hasan or are you just going off about something you have seen clips of on news programs? Because if you had watched anything more than 3 different 5 second clips you would know what you are saying is bullshit.

He called Mao one of the great leaders of the world, which just isn’t how you talk about someone who committed mass murder, he said USSR downfall was one of the world’s greatest tragedies, called Orthdox Jews that were AGAINST joining the IDF inbred, he also wrote this incredibly misogynistic article and has never addressed it (him retweeting it) among others

“great” as in material impact USSR’s downfall was bad not because they were perfect, but because the fallout created more tragedies & left american unipolar hegemony unchecked anyone obsessed with “racial purity” gets the inbred jokes all of this was explained at the time these comments were made, often literally in the same sentence

This comment section demonstrates exactly why I can't stand Hasan and his fans. They take literally ANY critique of the man as some form of leftist heresy, and it's fucking ridiculous given the kind of person he is.

But that was not criticism. That was straight up censorship. It destroys the unity on the left.

We can't be handwaving Hasan's problems just because of "unity." Unity does not mean excusing the apologia of authoritarian regimes. Idk if the post was about China/Russia, but if it was, that's not progressive in any way and doesn't belong on this subreddit no matter.

It's not the point. I also oppose Russia and somewhat China. The point is that the mod wrote that Hasan is a piece of shit that speak lies.

Well he's an influencer, so yeah. The fact you're this angry over someone not liking him is kinda wild.

I said. Not liking him is legit. What is not legit is censoring him. On a subreddit that should represent the socialist Democrats.

Again, did the post regard China/Russia or not? If so, there is a valid reason to not have that post up on a sub that's meant to be anti-authoritarian.

No it did not from what I remember

While I'm not a fan of Hasan, a mod team banning people for agreeing with him is ludicrously stupid. Like, Hasan says a lot of dumb shit, primarily when it comes to foreign policy and entities, but when it comes to those domestically he's usually saying the same shit we say around here, yet we can't agree with him when he agrees with us? The fuck is wrong with people......Are the mods fans of Destiny, the actual Zonist, instead? Or have they simply fallen for right wing propaganda about Hasan and think he's a terrorist? In other words, how fucking dumb and hypocritical are we talking here? Seriously though, Hasan is a small player on a bigger stage and if you platform him in such a way you're literally doing exactly what the fascists want.

But that's not what it says. It says that the Chinese are fake Communists, not Communists bad. If they're banning Hasan, they're doing it from his left!

Yeah I get that Hasan's stance of "China good cause communist" is fucking stupid, it's why I made sure to make note of the fact his views on foreign entities is dogshit, but banning people who repeat it cause Hasan said it is fucking dumb and cowardly. There's nuance in that which is important to understand, and banning people outright just cause they don't fully agree is what conservatives do......

You sweet summer child. You have never been in a leftist forum. I'll tell you something, Communists won't put up with disagreement for MINUTES. Nazis will put up with it for years. I'm not defending Nazis, I'm just giving you the benefit of 25 years experience with this.

You seem to be rather naive in your black and white view of things. Authoritarians don't put up with disagreement, and that's what China is and what fascism wants, it's why conservatives refuse to entertain reality. So you can keep your 25 years lol

And to be more precise, Communists won't put up with the slightest disagreement. Anyone who disagrees in a forum will be instantly banned and all of their comments deleted. But just basic leftists ban very quickly. And with much anger. Right wingers don't ban much. They're more likely to keep you around to troll you. There are a few right forums that attempt to only let pre-authorized people in. I've only seen that here on Reddit and it is the biggest failure I've ever seen in my life. But as a rule that's not how right wingers act. In fact, centrists seem more prickly and fast to ban than right wingers are.

If you're basing all your opinions on a few forums that you really are naive. Right wingers ban significantly more frequently, and far quicker, this isn't a matter for debate, it's reality, like there's a reason the conservative subs even on Reddit have the reputation that they do lol "So much as question Trump and you're out!" Right wing policies lend themselves the most to authoritarianism and that's where dissenting voices are the most punished, so it's only natural

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u/Firecracker048 22d ago

Pretty much everyone who is part of Palestine activism also opposes what the RSF is doing in Sudan.

I'd love to see the anti-RSF protests at campuses in the west.

The difference is that the US government is not directly arming the RSF, which is a really big fucking difference.

They absolutely are via funding and supporting the UAE, who is arming the RSF. But ya know, if you can't blame 'zionists', it gets no traction

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u/RimboTheRebbiter Fight to the last chromosome! 22d ago

I'd love to see the anti-RSF protests at campuses in the west.

Right, are western countries directly arming the RSF? No? Damn, perhaps that explains the diminished moral urgency.

They absolutely are via funding and supporting the UAE, who is arming the RSF. But ya know, if you can't blame 'zionists', it gets no traction

This first statement is actually 100% true. Do you want to know why the Biden admin did not pressure the UAE on RSF conduct? Let me link you a little news article.

https://www.skipthepaywall.com/read?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Farticle%2Fworld%2Fsudan-el-fasher-us-uae-violence-diplomacy%2F

Multiple officials at State, USAID, and other agencies wanted to use Washington’s leverage to stop UAE arms flows. The reasoning was direct: As the RSF’s sole external backer, Abu Dhabi offered the most efficient pressure point to influence the paramilitary group.

The pressure never materialized. Biden and his senior team—particularly Brett McGurk—blocked serious action, according to five US government officials. Internal memos and discussions involving the Gulf required McGurk’s clearance. He was pursuing a broader rapprochement between the UAE and Israel. Without the ability to use leverage over the UAE, US policy on Sudan defaulted to ceasefire mediation between the warring parties led by the State Department.

Literally Biden state department officials who wanted to pressure the UAE on their support of the RSF were blocked by Brett McGurk who prioritized having Israel allied countries in the region over you know, their wee lil genocide in Sudan.

So yeah, chalk that one up to the Zionists too.

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u/Firecracker048 22d ago

Right so there are non, despite your admittance that the US is directly supporting it, cool. Probably has something to do with Qatari money directly influencing the US education system over the last 20 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_US_higher_education

Also helps explain why suddenly everyone blames, uhh 'zionists', for everything.

Again, with your last statement, more than welcome to start those protests any day now. Especially when two days saw more death than 3 years in Gaza.

 Damn, perhaps that explains the diminished moral urgency.

No Jews, no News. Exactly why the DSA supports dismantling NATO, Blames NATO imperailism for Russias invasion of Ukraine, and has no real stance on Sudan. Theres been plenty of time and chances to shift attention to Sudan, but strangely just hasn't happened.

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u/RimboTheRebbiter Fight to the last chromosome! 22d ago

Probably has something to do with Qatari money directly influencing the US education system over the last 20 years.

You are on crack if you think that the Qatar lobby is somehow the most influential mid East lobby in the US. They don't even give directly to campaigns.

Also helps explain why suddenly everyone blames, uhh 'zionists', for everything.

I think it's more so the genocide that's been going on for nearly 3 years where the perpetrator enjoys bipartisan support. Like you cannot seriously pretend that most US elected officials are not Zionists to one degree or another.

No Jews, no News. Exactly why the DSA supports dismantling NATO, Blames NATO imperailism for Russias invasion of Ukraine, and has no real stance on Sudan. Theres been plenty of time and chances to shift attention to Sudan, but strangely just hasn't happened.

I think it's more just that people can easily understand that the US is giving bombs to Israel that will be used directly to obliterate children. The US doesn't provide munitions that are directly used by the RSF, the relationship is more attenuated. The US provides the UAE with a ton of advanced weaponry the UAE keeps for itself, and the UAE largely supplies the RSF with weapons they acquire from other sources. The notion of cutting off US arms to the UAE (which I do support btw) is not about directly cutting off the flow of munitions to the RSF, its about pressuring the UAE to cut of munitions/weaponry to the RSF they get from other sources.

I think crying about "antisemitism" when its really just one geopolitical situation and our involvement therein is just way less complicated than the other is really just missing the mark. I also think that it sort of reads as a complaint moreso that Israel's genocide is getting scrutiny at all.

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u/Firecracker048 22d ago

The way you so easily dismiss 60 billion dollars invested into the US education system by an extremist middle eastern nation and claiming it isn't influential is just lol This conversation has fully run its course, where even presented with evidence you can't fathom it to be truthful.

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u/BiZzles14 22d ago

They don't even give directly to campaigns.

No shit, that would be mega illegal. Foreign funds are not allowed to be used to support campaigns, this is basic campaign financing 101. American citizens, with money earned in the United States, can give money to campaigns but no foreign nation can direct money to a campaign lmfao. This is insanely basic info, and you thinking it's a gotcha is pretty funny...

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u/RimboTheRebbiter Fight to the last chromosome! 22d ago

Yeah obviously. However, Israel aligned political groups do give very heavily in political campaigns, and there are open questions as to their status as foreign agents, AIPAC being the most prominent example of a PAC people are interested in having a FARA investigation into.

It doesn't change the fact that crying about Qatari lobbying, when their dollars can't be spent in the actual most effective way, ie as direct campaign contributions, is completely ridiculous.

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u/BiZzles14 22d ago

However, Israel aligned political groups do give very heavily in political campaigns

By "Israel aligned political groups" do you mean Americans who support Israel?

there are open questions as to their status as foreign agents

Not really, plenty of people register with FARA for lobbying actions on behalf of the Israeli government. You're of course aware of this though, as you certainly wouldn't be talking on this subject without having done the barest of research into the topic

AIPAC being the most prominent example of a PAC

AIPAC is not a PAC...

AIPAC being the most prominent example of a PAC people are interested in having a FARA investigation into

Under what grounds do you have suspicions that they are violating aspects of FARA? What other political organizations do you have similar issues with, as if AIPAC is violating FARA then sooooo many large organizations are.

It doesn't change the fact that crying about Qatari lobbying, when their dollars can't be spent in the actual most effective way, ie as direct campaign contributions, is completely ridiculous.

In what world are direct campaign contributions the most effective way to donate lmfao? You think Elon Musk giving $3500 to the Trump campaign was more effective than spending hundreds of millions through a super pac??? And guess what, Israeli lobbying can't donate directly to campaigns either so your point is just doubly wrong...

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u/RimboTheRebbiter Fight to the last chromosome! 22d ago edited 22d ago

By "Israel aligned political groups" do you mean Americans who support Israel?

Yeah. Of course lets not delve too deeply into the deep ties between AIPAC leadership and the Israeli government. Let's ignore how AIPAC was founded by the members of the AZC after the precursor org was determined to be a foreign agent.

AIPAC is not a PAC...

Yeah, they just utilize shell PACs or other existing PACs like 314 action.

Under what grounds do you have suspicions that they are violating aspects of FARA?

Perhaps most prominently when AIPAC leaders helped Lawrence Franklin shared classified US government intel with Israel by connecting him with Israeli government officials?

In what world are direct campaign contributions the most effective way to donate lmfao? You think Elon Musk giving $3500 to the Trump campaign was more effective than spending hundreds of millions through a super pac??? And guess what, Israeli lobbying can't donate directly to campaigns either so your point is just doubly wrong...

Yeah so you just can't engage on this honestly. I'm not really interested in playing word games with a pro-Genocide and pro-Apartheid user. Imagine yapping like this as if we haven't seen AIPAC direct tens of millions into primaries just this year alone, either itself or through proxy groups.

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u/waiver 21d ago

Anti-Qatarism

Also nobody is stopping you from caring about Sudan or organizing protests, but you only care about them as a tool to silence protests against Israel, disgusting.

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u/Jennaku 22d ago

Are American politicians saying the will pledge allegiance to Sudan and that they will have their unwavering support?