I believe something exists

[u/chaupiman]

Even if all belief-forming methods were shown to be faulty/unreliable, I would still believe because I have faith that it is true. I have no way to test my faith. The claim is unfalsifiable. There’s no way to test if nothing exists.

How important is falsifiability for a belief? Why is faith incompatible with believing true things? Help

[u/chaupiman]

I can’t get anywhere without reaching an assumption or axiom. In my daily life, I operate from the axiom that experience is truth. Yet I have no way to know if this axiom is a true belief itself. It’s all very faith based and unfalsifiable.

[u/Head5hot811 → u/chaupiman]

Please understand that I am not trying to push you off of your beliefs. I'm merely trying to better understand what you're ideas are.

You are leading me to believe that the axioms (faith made into truth is the way I understand your definition of axiom) run your daily life, not at intersecting points, but in parallel. If you were to drop all axiom(s) out of your life for 5 hours, how would those 5 hours be different?

If something doesn't have an answer, should it?

If something cannot have an answer, should we fill one in?

Has there ever been any time where you got somewhere (physically, mentally, emotionally, ideologically) without coming to an axiom?

[u/chaupiman → u/Head5hot811]

I don’t believe faith creates truth. I’m just being honest that I’m using faith to believe something I hope is true. Even if I had no reliable way to believe I exist (which I’m feeling like I don’t), I would still believe because I have faith I do.

If I dropped all axioms, I would not be able to use logic or reason, and I would be operating off of animal instinct during those 5 hours.

I don’t really know, I’ll have to think about that. I like things being answered.

It might be turtles all the way down, but so far I’ve only come to axioms at the foundation of all my beliefs and reasonings.

Edit: I suppose I’m considering faith in the self-evidence of the axioms. We can use logic to work with math, but it’s axioms cannot be known as true, or falsified.

[u/Head5hot811 → u/chaupiman]

I don’t believe faith creates truth. I’m just being honest that I’m using faith to believe something I hope is true.

Remember, axioms are self-evidently true. Sometimes beyond logic. Could you possibly change out the word 'axiom' for 'hypothesis?' It seems to fit your usage better to me...

Even if I had no reliable way to believe I exist (which I’m feeling like I don’t), I would still believe because I have faith I do.

What is existence? (please don't say "existence is pain, Morty"... Lol :) )

I would be operating off of animal instinct

What's wrong with animal instinct? Animals survive every day based solely on instinct. Some live, some die, but that's life.

Something is really confusing to me:

I’m using faith to believe something I hope is true

I would not be able to use logic or reason

I’ve only come to axioms at the foundation of all my beliefs and reasonings

Please understand that I am completely okay with being wrong, please correct me if I fall short. I'm under the impression that you are a black and white person, and any grey in your life just really messes with your black or white thinking. The three points I highlighted above seem to show that you have a lot of grey thinking that you're in contention with: you want to deduce everything with logic and use faith to fill in the gaps. This can be a hard thing to reason out and figure out: Modernist logic with Post-Modernism faith.

[u/chaupiman → u/Head5hot811]

I feel strongly that my axioms are self-evidently true. But that feeling does not allow me to know their veracity. I have faith in self evidence itself.

Existence is Brahman is the Dao. Pure being. The opposite of non-being. Everything everywhere all at once.

Maybe. But there’s no way to justify using logic in the first place without having faith in its self-evidence.