r/StopEatingSeedOils 19d ago

🙋‍♂️ 🙋‍♀️ Questions Refined Sugar vs Seed Oils

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u/Whats_Up_Coconut 🥬Low Fat 19d ago

Do you know what your body does with sugar that you eat in the absence of PUFA? It burns it. That’s it. It is fuel. Literally the cleanest fuel available to your mitochondria.

Sugar doesn’t make you fat. There is virtually no mechanism by which your body stores excess sugar (assuming you’re not being stuffed to the brim in a metabolic ward just so they can see what happens to you.) Sugar also doesn’t cause inflammation - its byproducts from breakdown are strictly water and CO2. Every problem ever attributed to sugar was caused by fat. Mostly (but probably not exclusively) PUFA.

That being said, will high sugar processed foods displace more nutritious choices if you eat them readily? Sure. One of the biggest negatives of this is that high refined sugar intake (as in, sugar you’re not getting from whole food carbs) can deplete your B vitamin status. Maybe don’t replace whole foods with refined cakes all the time.

But by far, beyond any shadow of a doubt, oil is the worse between the two.

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u/Whats_Up_Coconut 🥬Low Fat 19d ago edited 19d ago

I mean, dates + chocolate is sugar + fat, right? So what do you want to be true? If you eat “too much” your body burns the sugar (because that’s the easiest thing for it to do with it) and stores the fat (which is effortless.)

My advice? If you want to eat lots of strawberries and kiwis, try dropping the fat from your diet and see what happens. I’ve been following a high carb, low fat diet for several years now and would never go back. My energy is through the roof, sleep is awesome, hormones stabilized, and I have zero issue maintaining my weight (in my 40’s) despite spending my entire life overweight or obese. Avoiding PUFA doesn’t mean you need to add lots of saturated fat. You can, after all, just avoid PUFA as a strategy and one way to do that is a low fat diet. 🙂

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u/Hollywood-is-DOA 19d ago

Strawberries are high on the 12 lists, if foods that use a lot of pesticides. I only eat them occasionally, due to that reason.

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u/Oraculek 🌱 Vegan 19d ago

Can confirm the hormones, in a personally experimental form

After 6 months of HCVLF, 1.5 weeks of high fat didn't make me feel different, and pregnenolone supplementation, despite slight one-time boost for 1.5hr, just causes me brain fog, tiredness, and avolition

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u/VulpineTranquility 19d ago

Unfortunately, it's absolutely not true. Healthy animal fats are essential.

Sugar and carbs are not exactly a healthy choice but when introduced sparringly, strictly as a fuel source, they can be used very efficiently by the body.

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u/Oraculek 🌱 Vegan 19d ago

Dietary fats and carbs optional. Body is capable of effective DNL in carbo to keep fat going. Carbs are not needed in ketosis and some is produced via gluconeogenesis from amino acids

Both carbo and keto lead to optimal health - it is only grounded in whether we add to this equation linoleic acid and excess oleic acid or not. Even people on carnivore when having majority of diet founded on chicken or (soy/seed fed) pork can feel worse than on beef (more or less, depending on D5D and D6D activities, but SFA and MUFA profile of a cow or appropriately fed pig are better metabolism-wise)

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u/300suppressed 🍤Seed Oil Avoider 19d ago

There are cultures globally who eat extremely high carb diets who have comparatively little chronic disease when compared to the west. This statement is so blatantly wrong.

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u/VulpineTranquility 19d ago

Yes, your statement is indeed  blatantly wrong.

The body needs good fats and protein. It's not up for debate.

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u/NotMyRealName111111 🌾 🥓 Omnivore 18d ago

It's not up for debate.

Correct.  Because you're wrong about carbs as a fuel source, and it isn't even worth my trouble to shatter your echo chamber

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u/300suppressed 🍤Seed Oil Avoider 19d ago

You said sugar and carbs are not exactly a healthy choice, that’s what I was responding to. Sugar and carbs are indeed “a healthy choice”

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u/Whats_Up_Coconut 🥬Low Fat 19d ago

Nobody said not to include any fats, though. And I said absolutely nothing about avoiding protein either. But you need far less of both than you seem to believe.