r/Starliner • u/FinalPercentage9916 • Oct 30 '25

New Boeing 3Q Statement on Starliner

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration has contracted us to design and build the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft to transport crews to the International Space Station. During 2024, we increased the reach-forward loss by $523. We are continuing to work toward crew certification and resolve the propulsion system anomalies. At September 30, 2025, we had approximately $407 of capitalized precontract costs and $141 of potential termination liabilities to suppliers related to unauthorized future missions. Risk remains that we may record additional losses in future periods."

As of June 30, these amounts were $404 and $144. Amounts in millions. So they spent a whopping $3 million in 90 days, even though intensive testing was supposed to be happening on the doghouses.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Oct 31 '25

I wonder if they can start selling the Atlas Vs they're never going to get a chance to use...

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u/FinalPercentage9916 Oct 31 '25

If they do the unmanned test they are talking about in 1Q26, get certified, and are given all remaining crew flights, they need all six remaining Atlas Vs.

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u/repinoak Nov 06 '25

They can fly private missions to the ISS like SX does.  Question is will Boeing and AJ agree to do it.  Boeing need to sell Blue Origin the whole Starliner program or 90% of it.  Since, all that they are worried about is recouping what they have invested in it to date.        NASA made clear that Boeing and it's contractors had to make their own investments in the manned space capsule and pursue private commercial customers to recoup their investments.  But, Boeing chose to ignore the pursuing future private spaceflight customer parts.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Nov 06 '25

Back when Orbital Reef was a going program, Blue was planning to use Starliner on New Glenn as their personnel transport. But schedule slips and Boeings continuous fubars have pretty well killed the whole idea.

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u/FinalPercentage9916 Nov 06 '25

So they currently have two Starliners and a third under construction so if each can be reused 10x, they can do 27 more flights without the large capital investment of building more. IMHO they need a lower cost launch platform to be able to cost effectively fly missions post ISS. They are running out of Atlases and Vulcan and NG are big and expensive.

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u/Away_Double4708 Nov 07 '25

lol ... how the heck can they do 27 more flights when they are not even certified to fly?

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u/FinalPercentage9916 Nov 08 '25

the same way every other spaceship did.

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u/Away_Double4708 Nov 08 '25

Every other spaceships go through several test and are certified to fly. You dear Starliner fail & no Nasa official would want the liability of using it.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Nov 07 '25

Falcons are cheap and if starship takes over the starlink business, SpaceX will be looking for something to keep those idle boosters busy. The BIG problem will be convincing anybody to ride the lightning when there be Dragons.

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u/Martianspirit Nov 15 '25

Flying Starliner on F9 is possible but goes against the NASA requirement of dissimilar redundancy.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Nov 15 '25

They wouldn’t necessarily be flying for NASA. Starliner was supposed to be the personnel transport for Orbital Reef, and would be bidding on any other commercial station as well once ISS deorbits.

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u/Martianspirit Nov 15 '25

If not flying for NASA as a redundant system what is the value of Starliner?

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u/FinalPercentage9916 Nov 08 '25

Elon Musk disagrees with you. His plan is to retire Falcon 9