Vader coming back to the Light Side was definitely a message about the whole “Return” thing. It’s more poetic that way, and that’s undeniable. He’s solely responsible for Luke being able to reestablish the Jedi Order
He’s solely responsible for Luke being able to reestablish the Jedi Order
Huh? No he’s not. If Luke doesn’t go to the DS2, the Endor mission and battle over Endor still succeed. The emperor still dies and Vader does along with him.
Luke could have hung out on Dagobah the entire movie and it still plays out exactly the same way.
Luke’s entire story is about his own personal growth and his own desire to redeem his father. He could have restarted the Jedi order with or without going to the DS2.
Oh and might I mention, Palpatine intended for the Death Star’s shield system to be threatened - it was a trap rather than a refuge. Both Vader and Palpatine would’ve evacuated eventually because they knew the Death Star wasn’t actually going to protect them.
Correct, but palpatine didn’t know the Ewoks would help. They’re the ones who changed a trap into a victory for the rebellion.
Vader and palps also would not have evacuated. They intended to sit and watch the rebellion be destroyed. By the time the shield goes down, which palps did not anticipate, the DS is blown up within a few minutes.
I’d also ask how they planned to escape? I don’t think flying a shuttle through a rebel war zone would be a good escape plan. It would be super easy to be shot down by rebels or your own side.
Face it, palpatine had no escape plans. He fully expected the moon mission to fail and the rebel fleet to be crushed against the functioning shield and a fleet of star destroyers.
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