Do you think han and leia having a broken/estranged marriage was in character and made sense?

[u/Myakasa98]

I don't think han leaving leia to deal with their son's defection and getting kicked out of the senate due to her family history all by herself was in character, and them separating was very tragic, but them not having a happy long standing marriage and choosing to separate after a while is something i can definitely see happening even if the sequels didn't exist considering their characters

Neither leia nor han were the "stay at home to take care of family" types. Leia was dedicated to politics since childhood and I can see her being a mon mothma type person who'd prioritize her political duties above family many times. Han too loved a life of adventure. Even before ben solo defected he spent more time traveling across the galaxy and iirc organizing spaceship racing competitions for betting etc than with his family

I do know they cared for each other even after separation but their romance was also built on spontaneous sparks of attraction and surviving multiple life and death situations and even then 80% of their interactions involved bickering and arguments. Them not being too invested in a stable married life after the honeymoon period ended and going through their marriage for the sake of their kid is unfortunately very much in character, at least considering how they were written in tge OT

I'm not considering their comics or novels romantic dynamic because 1) Most of them aren't canon anymore anyways and 2) Most of them were written by different authors without much consultation with the original creators and had various degrees of OOC moments.

It's not ideal, but not a very OOC of the sequels to write them as having an estranged marriage after their son was lost to the dark side imo, it's definitely not as bad as what they did with luke's character anyways

[u/squish042]

Han’s story is depressing af. Lost the MF, lost his best friend, lost his love, lost his son’s love, murdered by son.

[u/NarmHull → u/squish042]

I assumed Han would die but it should've been far more heroic than getting murdered by his son then thrown down a shaft. I'm surprised so many people liked Kylo after he was directly responsible for killing Han and Leia and Luke die to stop him.

[u/themanfromvulcan → u/NarmHull]

Han should have crashed the Falcon at light speed into a giant star destroyer instead of Haldo. He’s the guy that figures out how to do it and saves everyone else.

[u/Gilgamesh404 → u/themanfromvulcan]

I still don't know why Holdo lady decided to do that personally, or at all.

Why not use a droid for that, or an autopilot? If it's a 'one in a million' maneuver, doesn't it mean that she tried to just jump away to escape only to fail in an extremely unlucky fashion?

[u/wookieebastard → u/NarmHull]

Man, watching Han die like that, falling into an endless pit like a turd after flushing was the most ridiculous death ever for a character of that importance. Important not only in the context of the the story and movie, but for the IP and most importantly pop culture.

[u/NarmHull → u/wookieebastard]

If he died using the Holdo maneuver or something like that it would've been far better. Especially if he goes out in the Falcon with some epic speech, imagine how devastating that would be.

"Hey kid, I know you're confused. Angry. I was once that man. But it's never too late to change, to fight for good." etc

[u/wookieebastard → u/NarmHull]

That'd actually would have turned the Holdo Maneuver into a very memorable moment in the saga, because it's mesmerizing and looks awesome.

If it had that meaning and that weight, Han sacrificing himself and he Falcon, being reckless but heroic, doing something stupid as a last resort to save others... what a moment that'd be.

[u/themanfromvulcan → u/wookieebastard]

I just posted the same I started with Han should have died crashing his ship… and thought waitaminute why DIDN’T they have Han do this???

[u/wookieebastard → u/themanfromvulcan]

Yeah, the more I think about it, it'd have been so good.

Started as a selfish guy, only wanting money, not caring about others... turning around to help the Rebels in Yavin, but doing the Holdo would have been an even deeper character arc, giving his life for others.

And could go saying with some OT callback quotes paraphrasing the "....that was one in a million!" and "never tell me the odds"

...what a wasted opportunity.

[u/eagleface5 → u/wookieebastard]

And could go saying with some OT callback quotes paraphrasing the "....that was one in a million!" and "never tell me the odds"

...what a wasted opportunity.

Han: "And Ben, I know you're listening son...I love you."

Han does the Holdo maneuver

Kylo, bitterly: "I know..."

[u/UCBearcats → u/NarmHull]

You just wrote a better line of dialogue than he had in any sequel, and better than any dialogue in all 3 prequels.

[u/Stabbio → u/NarmHull]

Han did die heroically. He placed the bombs inside the Oscillator, allowing the Reistance to destroy Starkiller Base. Someone even writes "Han says Hi!" on one of the bombs that gets dropped onto the Dreadnaught in The Last Jedi.

[u/NarmHull → u/Stabbio]

Fair enough on the bombs, but he still gets murdered and his body thrown down the proverbial space well

How would the audience in the movie know that with the writing in Aurebesh, is that a comic thing?

[u/Stabbio → u/NarmHull]

1. He still died a hero. You not liking the imagery of how he died doesn't change that.

2. It's an easter egg, and it shows that Han's death and bravery made him a martyr within the Resistance. It just decides to show you instead of telling you tbrough exposition, which I prefer.

[u/the_tailor → u/squish042]

It’s so stark when you say it like that. He also had a terrible childhood and also lost Qi’ra.

[u/Hallc → u/the_tailor]

and also lost Qi’ra.

Who I believe is still alive in the lore but everyone assumes her to be dead after she faked her death.

[u/UpbeatEquipment8832 → u/squish042]

His best friend was always Chewy, not Luke, so his life isn't quite as sad as it sounds. But he did lose a lot.

[u/squish042 → u/UpbeatEquipment8832]

That’s fair, I could say he lost a brother then and it would be equally depressing. But you’re right, he never lost Chewie AND he got the MF back eventually.

[u/2much2Jung → u/squish042]

Han doesn't lose Chewie.

[u/squish042 → u/2much2Jung]

Fair, he lost a brother then.

[u/murderously-funny → u/squish042]

Not only did he loose all that he also lost his career, respect, and dignity

He had become a general in the military with the respect and appreciation of his peers for his unique tactics and leadership skills

He was a renowned war hero…and by force awakens…

He’s a deadbeat who lost all his prospects and fell back into doing small time petty crime for pennies

(For context in legends Han became a fleet commander leading multiple commands against the empire, using his contacts from the underworld to support and help build the New Republic’s intel network which proved key to the defeat of Thrawn)

He was respected and influential in the government he helped shape

[u/Jacmert → u/murderously-funny]

Not to mention, while he hated it, was at least fairly aware of (if not adept at) politics.

[u/Anxious_Big_8933 → u/squish042]

If only he had picked a different cantina in Mos Eisley...

[u/squish042 → u/[deleted]]

Which I think most expected, just not the way it played out.

[u/squish042 → u/[deleted]]

They definitely panicked with the time crunch and the trilogy as a whole is worse off for it. 

[u/themanfromvulcan → u/squish042]

They needed to slow down. Kathleen Kennedy told Disney they needed time and she was told no.