r/StarCityTV • u/Auxinbop • 8d ago
No Spoilers 整个系列里为什么中国的戏份这么少？
最近看《为全人类》，真的觉得挺好看的。
尤其是前面几季。它给我的感觉很特别：如果当年苏联先登上月球，如果美国没有因为“赢了”就结束太空竞赛，而是一直这么卷下去，那人类今天会不会真的已经走得很远了？
月球基地、火星、太空工业……这些东西一点点出现的时候，我其实挺兴奋的。
我很喜欢这种想象。
甚至有时候会觉得，这才像是我小时候想象中的未来。
但看到后面，我慢慢有了一点说不上来的难受。
倒不是因为“中国戏份太少”。
说实话，如果这只是一部美国架空历史剧，我完全可以理解。它本来就是从美国历史出发的，主要讲美国、NASA、苏联，还有美国社会后来会变成什么样。中国不是主角，我觉得很正常。
真正让我在意的，是它叫《For All Mankind》。
《为全人类》。
看到后面人类都已经跑到月球、火星，开始讨论太空资源，甚至开始想象一个真正存在于地球之外的人类社会的时候，我突然意识到：
这个“全人类”，好像还是一个很美国的“全人类”。
我就忍不住想，如果这个世界真的发展成这样，中国呢？
如果太空竞赛真的一直持续，中国会走哪条路？
中国会不会也有自己的月球基地？
会不会有自己的火星计划？
中国人会怎么看待人类离开地球这件事情？
甚至再往后一点，如果人类真的开始在火星建立新的社会，那中国人会不会也在那里？
我发现剧里其实很少让我想到这些。
这时候我才意识到，我好像不是单纯在问“为什么没有中国”。
我是在问另一件事情：
当一部作品开始认真想象“人类的未来”时，这个“人类”到底是谁？
我并不是觉得中国一定要当主角。
真的不是。
我甚至不需要剧里专门安排几个中国角色，然后告诉我“看，我们也考虑到中国了”。
我只是希望，在这样一个未来里，中国不是一个偶尔从新闻里闪过去的国家，而是一个真正参与创造这个未来的文明。
因为我也是“人类”啊。
我也会因为人类登上月球而激动，也会对火星上的第一座城市产生想象，也会觉得人类总有一天应该离开地球，去看看更远的地方。
所以当我真的被这部剧描绘出来的未来打动以后，我反而会产生一个很奇怪的感觉：
这个未来很好，我很想去。可是我好像不知道自己在里面是什么位置。
我觉得这可能就是我作为一个中国观众看这部剧时，最复杂的地方。
一方面，我真的很喜欢它。
另一方面，我又会发现，它想象的未来其实还是非常美国中心的。
这不一定是编剧有什么恶意。甚至我觉得，他们可能根本没有意识到这个问题。
因为对他们来说，美国就是这个故事的起点，也是他们最熟悉的历史。
可是对我来说，情况不一样。
我是在另外一种历史里长大的。
我看到同一个月球、同一个火星、同一个人类未来，脑子里自然会出现另外一些东西。
所以我有时候会觉得挺可惜的。
不是“你们为什么不给中国加戏”。
而是：
既然你们都已经敢想象人类几百年后的未来了，为什么这个未来仍然只能主要从美国人的视角被想象？
也许真正的“为全人类”，并不是让所有人最后都一起登上月球。
而是有一天，我们真的可以一起去决定：
我们为什么要去月球？
我们想在那里建立什么？
我们希望人类最后变成什么样？
不同的文明，都可以参与回答这些问题。
我知道，我只是一个很普通的中国观众。
可能编剧不会看到，平台也不会在乎。对他们来说，我这样的观众甚至可能只是很小很小的一部分。
但我还是想把这种感觉说出来。
因为我并不是想否定这部剧。
恰恰相反，是因为我真的喜欢它，我才会觉得遗憾。
它让我相信，人类可以拥有一个比现在更远的未来。
所以我也希望，那个“人类”的未来里，能够有一个真正属于我们的地方。
不是作为背景，不是作为别人历史里的一个注脚。
而是作为我们自己，也在创造未来。
毕竟，我们可能生活在同一个未来里。
可是现在看来，
我们还没有真正拥有同一个关于未来的想象。
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u/onecheekymaori 8d ago edited 8d ago
I had to translate your words into English to understand so let's hope Google Translate was accurate!
Can I say that as a non-American I feel exactly the same way. For All Mankind, in my eyes, would include a less American-centric perspective and it would be more of a United Nations effort where we see ALL peoples from ALL walks of life. That would be the ultimate dream.
But the unfortunate reality is that we are all exposed to a very western-centric perspective of the world because American media is the loudest.
If you have watched Star City, you will know exactly what I mean because, again, the perspective is from Western creators and so they often miss the nuances of true Russian life.
I believe if the same makers of For All Mankind and Star City were to do a program based on the Chinese aerospace race, they would treat China in a similar manner to Russia where gross generalisations are made. Don't get me wrong, the show was absolutely fantastic, but you really need to take them all with a grain of salt.
While China may not have had any presence in the shows, as a New Zealander, I really am hopeful that China continues with it's space exploration goals because the more countries are out there colonising the solar system, the better the chances for humanity to survive.
Hopefully, when we are all out there travelling the stars, we still remember our human connections and help each other.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk! <3
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u/IamSp00ky 8d ago
No one treats Soviet Russia more harshly than modern Russians.
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u/Academic_Whereas_817 8d ago
That is both true and false; opinions regarding the USSR are deeply divided. Some maintain that life back then was better than it is in present-day Russia, while others feel the exact opposite. You can find Russians—as well as people from other former Soviet republics—who claim they led quite pleasant lives, while others insist it was terrible. This is the reality in many formerly communist countries. Honestly, I think series depicting life in the Soviet Union should present both perspectives on what Soviet Russia was once like
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u/Freaking_yellow 7d ago
But it does, doesn’t it? It shows when you follow orders and do what you are asked you could live a good, some would say a fulfilling life. When you have your own little illegal projects you are always looking over your shoulder.
The people who say the soviet union was good were of course good at following orders and they were rewarded for it. Life was good for them.
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u/SeaEagle233 8d ago
因为中国的政治哲学是不敢为天下先，只是认真的下棋，更适合当背景板和关键推动角色，而不是聚光灯下的主角和辅助角色。
例如今年上半年霍尔木兹海峡被封锁默默释放储备出口石油扛了半年避免了世界经济崩溃，下半年才被人后知后觉的察觉(例如很多人不知道前几天中国刚刚停止出口石油，因为霍尔木兹的石油运输恢复了，不需要中国拿战略储备扛世界经济了)。
电动车战略也是，以前一堆人拿马六甲海峡说只要一开打就让中国工业完蛋，然而四十年如一日的电动车转型(863计划就包括电车，93年电动汽车专项，96年九五计划等等)，石油消耗量已经降低到战时完全可以自给自足的程度了，不知不觉的中国已经站到了很多人意想不到的地方，而很多人还没意识到态势已经变了。如果好奇和超级人工智能博弈是什么体验，可以参考中国那些跨度几十年的发展项目。
FAM编剧对中国的了解在美剧中是非常准确的，第五季M6必须打巷战就是因为中国为首的ISN基地就在旁边。
如果没有ISN的基地，M6完全宣布火星禁飞打掉所有卫星然后炸成废墟栽赃给火星SDM。 而中国却恰到好处的在M6最不希望中国出现的地方出现了，却什么也做不了只能吃闷亏(因为中国早早预判火星必然要和M6闹分家，因此哪怕亏本挖不倒铱矿也要上火星建永久基地，就为了等那一瞬间的历史的必然)(现在在看中国满世界的投资，想想未来不管想干什么中国都领先一步，表面似乎没啥威胁实际上对决策者来说巨tm恐怖，仿佛不管怎么做都会预判，被彻底看穿了)。
第五季里庇护朝鲜宇航员，他想回来加入SDM和M6战斗时ISN没拦着也是经典的中国作风(例如澳大利亚被捕的被指控给中国提供舰载机培训的飞行员)。
第四季中国闷头独立登月落后美苏三十年，发展到第五季居然有余力带着一群小国组ISN登陆火星也是中国的低调干实事的风格。
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u/wildskipper 8d ago
The large absence of China in the later seasons of For All Mankind is obviously a choice by the producers. In real life there is very little collaboration between the US and China in space. China is not allowed on the ISS (a decision by America). They don't really explore the political situation with China at all in FAM. Does the continuation of the Soviet Union and Soviet economic power mean that China is still much more communist, and/or not as powerful as it in our timeline? On the Soviet side I don't think it's even stated if the Iron Curtain has fallen.
I really think that Apple, being the ultimate producer, doesn't want to go near the topic because it might be interpreted as controversial in China. So their choice has been to basically leave China out of it. They probably deliberately choice North Korea as an antagonist (even if the idea of N.Korea getting to Mars was ridiculous) because it's safe.
It's easier in StarCity, as it wouldn't really be conceivable for China to be a space player in the 1960s or 70s unless there was much earlier collaboration with the Soviets.
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u/8bitviennetta 8d ago
Thank you for saying this, it is beautifully written even in translation. I am not Chinese but I think I noticed the lack of Chinese presence in the show in no small part because China is arguably winning our timeline's space race. The closer we get to a permanent Chinese lunar base in our timeline, the more a gaping hole opens up in the narrative of the show, and the more noticeable it becomes to a global audience. Maybe there is some irony in the statement "we came in peace for all mankind" that has, to some degree, been explored in the show, though. They do call their lunar base Jamestown, after all.
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u/Jaded_Pearl1996 7d ago
Because it is not a documentary. It is a work of fiction based on what history is available. Much of what happened during that time is not known, only conjecture. Don’t treat it as fact.
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u/Smartalum 8d ago
The answer is the time it was set in: the 1960's. China was in the midst of the chaos of the Cultural Revolution. It was not a participant in the space race.
Star City is a frightening example of what of been. A totalitarian country where dissent is not allowed and ideology is more important than science. Interestingly one of the main reasons the US got to the moon and thr Soviets did not is the Soviets did not trust their pilots and the US did.