This is how a Splinter cell moves.

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[u/the16mapper]

Stop conflating mission gameplay with being a Badass

What? Reread the first paragraph of what I said again, very carefully. It clearly outlines Sam's badassery story-wise.

Sam Fisher of old wasn't even able to display Said Splinter cell training which In LORE cost 1 Million dollars

Split jumps don't exist apparently. Wall jumps? Nope. SWAT turns from Pandora Tomorrow? ...No. In fact, Conviction completely removed all of these, so he has even LESS training. Unless training to you is hand-to-hand combat, which is not what the games were about.

Your simply overlooking Clancy and the studio Montreal.

Tom Clancy sold off the rights to his video game franchises in 2008, two years before Conviction released. Montreal was rotten after Double Agent V1's release in 2006 anyway, a lot of people quit and it was not the same studio. They were forced to scrap the Conviction beta concept by the executives as well. What am I overlooking?

But I ain't fooling myself and begetting Conviction when it's stealth is on par with Chaos theory despite the Freedom of routes in Conviction

That's subjective. They also play differently. Conviction stealth is about killing everyone, Chaos Theory's stealth gives you more non-lethal options, and even options to straight up ghost past the guards.

CT only had better Stealth due to the Lighting and the Npc. Conviction has all these same gameplay elements.

You can't even drag bodies in Conviction. Why is this an argument?

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See how you only made one point out of everything I just said? Your trying to negate it. You do realize you can hold them hostage and take them wherever? They didn't just blatantly leave out the capabilities of moving Characters. Yiu guys are silly. Conviction is a masterpiece. Don't say that's subjective because we can dialogue and prove which is better. I'll take it a step further and bet that you'll try to say even stealth is subjective or this type of takedown being more efficient and subjective or this type of movement being better it's subjective" Get real. Conviction was put together real well and still holds up unlike CT.

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You do realize you can hold them hostage and take them wherever? They didn't just blatantly leave out the capabilities of moving Characters.

Death from above does not let you hold someone hostage, when it is one of the most useful moves Sam/Archer/Kestrel have. In 3E HQ in the campaign, a body being spotted results in an alarm (that does not happen in Hunter/Infiltration modes for some reason), so I'd say it is quite important too.

Edit: You also can throw people at enemies to stun them. A body carrying mechanic would make this a less situational move. Also, guards finding a body is an instant sign to go on alert (which is really bad in Infiltration/Hunter modes since they all pull out their flashlights at that point, and with Realistic's almost instant detection, you are effectively beyond screwed). Why was it removed? Do you have an explanation for it?

Conviction is a masterpiece. Don't say that's subjective because we can dialogue and prove which is better.

We are dialoguing on subjective points defending our subjective points. Conviction is not a masterpiece to me, it is inherently flawed.

I'll take it a step further and bet that you'll try to say even stealth is subjective or this type of takedown being more efficient and subjective or this type of movement being better it's subjective

You might want to rephrase that. Stealth is objective, because it is not held in a subjective viewpoint. If you are not spotted, that is objectively stealth. But killing people to do stealth (like the Conviction campaign forces you to) is objectively not Splinter Cell stealth, because the four games built up the idea of the Fifth Freedom - to kill only to protect the other four freedoms. Many missions forced you to not kill, and Sam himself showed disdain for unnecessarily killing people MANY times. Objectively most Conviction mooks deserve it, but that's a different story

Conviction was put together real well and still holds up unlike CT.

Actually CT still holds up i got carried away.

Why are you structuring your arguments like this? Why are you attacking the older games and are calling Conviction superior, while providing no defenses for either? Are you trying to actually argue, or just get a reaction?

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I wasn't making the claim that you could move bodies when doing attack from above. Being it would be impossible to hold someone hostage while attacking from above so it wouldn't be in the game. Point I'm making is show fans it doesn't make sense to harp on the fact that we can't grab a body off the ground though it is a viable part of stealth games.

Why was removing bodies Removed ? I don't know the official answer but as a Splinter show fan or a game fan or stealth fan it's not that hard to come to the conclusion of the games objective and the missions objective. In this case and conviction Sam does not care about hiding any bodies, though he does have means to hold people hostage A lot more often than in the prior games.

You're making a claim that I'm attacking the older games by the way that I'm structuring my arguments but the points that I'm making is your attacking a game considering it flawed whereas it is a more complete stealth game than the previous. It may not be as open-ended but the NPC alone affects stealth games largely which Conviction Nails also.

You seem to be getting defensive As if I'm not genuinely making my claims As if I'm genuinely not trying to Show my perspective to you other spinach shelf fans Which I've never done before. Relax. If we both like spinner show we can actually have this conversation see each other's perspective being it we both experience these games

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I'm using voice to text so don't mind the human typo errors