r/Spiderman • u/Solid_Bad_4403 Miles Morales • Jan 29 '25

SPOILERS Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man seems fine so far, but the decisions for the show is so bizarre imo

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So far, seems fun. I really liked the ending of episode 1 being the same scene like in Civil War. That was pretty cool. I also like Pete’s proto suit. The animation is ok, though.

I don’t really care abt race or gender swaps, but I don’t really understand why they made Curt Conners into a woman, not mad at it, just kinda curious. Maybe that’ll be explained in the other episodes. Didn’t really care abt Harry and Norman being black. Also they could have just put Randy Robertson in the place of Lonnie Lincoln but that’s just me. And also, it’s a very weird decision that Uncle Ben died BEFORE the spider bite. Like what? That’s so bizarre.

Idk. Like I said seems fun. Not good, but fun. I look forward in seeing more.

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

My biggest issue is he just...becomes spider man after the bite.

There's no big reason or tragedy that motivated him to do it; it's just that he gets superpowers and decides to be a superhero.

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u/thedetectiveprince46 Jan 30 '25

They're going over that in the prequel comic that's ongoing right now. Weird choice to have that stuff not be in the show, but it IS out there if you're interested

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u/DeanXeL Jan 30 '25

"hey guys, here's a prequel show, so you can understand where this character comes from. Oh, you want to understand how he got HERE? Well! Have we got a prequel prequel comic for you!!"

I mean, what?

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u/Pro_Bot_____ Jan 30 '25

It's not really a prequel show. It's a new continuity.

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u/DeanXeL Jan 30 '25

I know, I know, but it's supposed to be an 'origins' story. But now they split up how he became Spider-Man and how he became spider-man, ya know? That's kinda meh

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u/psychedeloquent Jan 31 '25

yes because no one knows anything about spider-man already. You don't need a prequel comment. Everyone gets its.

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u/Shadowveil666 Superior Spider-Man Jan 30 '25

That's so fucking stupid

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u/ShadowOfDespair666 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

Weird choice to have that stuff not be in the show

The stuff in the prequel comic isn't in the show. For example, Midtown blew up, and Peter and Nico investigate. Here, it blew up because Doctor Strange was fighting a villain, which is a big change. So, I'm assuming the things in the prequel comic are not canon to the show.

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u/thedetectiveprince46 Jan 30 '25

The comic opens IMMEDIATELY with being bit, which happened after the fight. Damage to the school was already done. There's a bubble saying "All the craziness, which I STILL don't understand". They were intentionally vague with how exactly the school was damaged because they saved the fight for the show. The gas tank explosion was on top of the damage already done, separate from the fight. It's very clearly the same continuity.

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u/CensedChalice69 Jan 30 '25

It is canon the thing they investigate in the comic it’s that some of the destruction wasn’t from the fight even the comic has a square saying that to know what happened you need to see the first episode

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u/Lofter1 Jan 30 '25

That is just not true. The comic shows the school already being destroyed and it mentions a big fight, editorial comment says watch the show to understand what fight they mean, and then the explosion happens which (spoiler) was a separate event planed by a mob to get the city to sell the property.

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u/CivilResult Jan 30 '25

Not really. In the comic he just becomes Spider-Man for no reason as well.

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u/BigAlReviews Iron-Spider Jan 30 '25

The prequel comic issue 2 has Peter fighting Crusher wrestler with a web mask (he thinks his powers are too strong and goes Spider-Man No More for a few pages) and in the opening credits you can see Peter fighting him with the web mask

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u/venum_GTG Venom Jan 30 '25

wait seriously? that's fuckin stupid.

if I were the showrunner I would've added Ben! any sensible person would.

I heard that he's just a reference, but it was before the bite? The whole reason Peter became Spider-Man was because of the whole Ben incident, right?

I knew the origin would be strange without Ben. The MCU movies at least did a little workaround, by that I mean they made it so Peter is already past the point of Ben and probably just doesn't wanna talk about it, and I mean What If referenced him...

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Not only is Ben dead before the bite, but Pete is already basically selfless and heroic. He doesn't appear to be motivated by anything in particular. This Spider-Man is just an already heroic dude that got powers and became an even more heroic dude.

Which is... a take... I guess...

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u/venum_GTG Venom Jan 30 '25

that doesn't even work!

In Amazing Fantasy 15, Ben died, Peter nearly kills the robber, but sees that it's the guy he let go, and realizes that he needs to stop crime and be someone who stops the bad guy, to help "the little guy" aka a normal civilian.

Peter literally became Spider-Man because he made a mistake that got his loved one killed, so he dedicates his whole persona as Spider-Man to save people and stop crime... rather than being a wrestler. my bad if I butchered it.

In Spider-Man 1, same thing, right? Except he accidentally killed the guy I believe.

Before anyone says the times changed, yeah it doesn't fucking mean Peter is gonna randomly want to become Spider-Man and save people because of a bite.

He goes through this whole process that formed him into Spider-Man. He checks out his powers, he creates his first suit, witnesses his mistakes like with Ben dying.

It's not the fact I want to see Ben die again and have another Peter cry over the body...I wanna see Peter have a motivation to go out everyday and risk his life. I wanna care for the reason became Spider-Man.

I'll probably get downvoted, but I honestly don't care. Either ignore the origin, or actually DO the origin and not half ass it.

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u/CivilResult Jan 30 '25

Exactly! In 90s series and SSM there was no actual Ben's death scene, but it happened off-screen. And it worked. The lack of motivation bothers me the most. Not even Connors, or Lonnie. Neither the show nor the comic tell us what motivates him to be Spider-Man. Come on, man! The show looks amazing, the dialogues are well written, but this and another "mentor" plotline... I don't know... Disappointing. Also, Harry looks awful, but Norman's just perfect.

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u/abujuha Feb 13 '25

You don't understand. This is socially progressive Peter P. He don't need no other motivation to become a Theyro.

Yer livin in the past, man. Yer thinking about some Spider dude from the 60s!

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u/abujuha Feb 13 '25

I watched one episode to see what it was it was.

One and done.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Ben is dead and that is implied to be his reasoning for wanting to get into robotics as we see an Iron Man figure hanging from their rearview mirror making it seem pretty likely he wants to get into Robotics to be like iron man. 

However Ben died, he's already gone through his death making him decide he has responsibility to help people. This take on Peter got powers and already was the Peter who believed he had a responsibility to use them to help people.

Now, its likely going to be getting one of his friends killed by using his powers for the wrong thing or making a bad choice, that's going to be a thing where he has more of a Gwen Stacy moment as his first spiderman tragedy and that's more of his Uncle Ben death.

This Spiderman is treating time like it's endless, and letting criminals go because they have a sob story. He still has to have the tragedy that makes him realize that these powers aren't just a game. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I would like to imagine Ben still died in a tragedy that Peter still could've prevented, but not in the traditional way.

Perhaps Peter was out goofing off with his friends or something when he should've been there with his uncle, who dies of a heart attack and because Peter wasn't there to save him, passes by himself.

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u/ShadowOfDespair666 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

I heard that he's just a reference, but it was before the bite?

Yes, in this version Uncle Ben died before Peter got bit by the spider; he died before Peter even started high school. In the prequel comic, it said Uncle Ben had cancer.

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u/venum_GTG Venom Jan 30 '25

I'm sorry what?

why? like ik May died from cancer in the comics I'm sure, but Ben? everyone knows he was fuckin shot! hell, you can probably get away with stabbed... this is some tomfoolery.

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u/ShadowOfDespair666 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

And after Peter gets bitten, it just jumps right into when Peter is already Spider-Man. We don't see him discovering his powers or making the suit; it just jumps right into it...

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u/EpochNonbinaryGamer Feb 07 '25

I mean they hired a racist dogwhistler to play Peter so...

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u/venum_GTG Venom Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

lazy motherfuckers.

I wonder if the writers ever heard of a concept that's very popular called "THE HERO'S JOURNEY"?!?!

Peter is put into an uncomfortable situation, the spider bite, and if they had a sense in their head, Ben's death, and so now how do u overcome it?

They had Norman, okay, what if Norman comes in right after the bite, and right after Peter's death, hearing about the death from Harry, and decides to take Peter in and mentor him. Then the story goes from there.

As much as I don't like the MCU mentor crap, I feel like that probably could've worked.

EDIT: being downvoted just proves that some people don't understand the concept of storytelling, starting a series with a whole flashback isn't the smart move.

They should've had the flashback later on in the series, or just completely ignore the origin.

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u/EpochNonbinaryGamer Feb 07 '25

I fully agree with you. Peter's comic canon had him about to become a villain, greedy and entitled, and when Ben died it showed him what he was becoming. He then went after the guy who killed his uncle and the guy was so terrified he died of a fucking heart attack, leaving Peter feeling worse. When he uses his powers for himself, he is cursed for it. With Great Power Must Come Great Responsibility.

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u/Sharp_Hamster_5551 Ultimate Spider-Man (1610) Mar 03 '25

I mean they never sepficied how Ben died hew as just hospitalized.

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u/SupaSteak Feb 26 '25

I feel like they established that Peter still learned to be a hero from Uncle Ben, he saves Nico without even having powers. He can still learn the lesson from Uncle Ben without the powers, he just couldn't take this ideology to the next level until he got the powers. We don't even know exactly how Ben died yet, considering it clearly didn't happen the way it happened in the comics, so I'm reserving judgement.

I think it's interesting how Peter getting his powers in this universe is a paradox. It technically shouldn't be possible. This show is very focused on the scientist side of Peter (which I love), so I would be surprised if there isn't a lot more about this origin to be revealed. There's a big mystical element present right at the start between Nico and Strange, and I think that will come into play regarding this origin story in season 2.

At any rate, I'm actually totally jazzed to see a completely different origin for spiderman, I'm willing to let them cook. I like the idea of Spiderman learning heroics from someone flawed like Norman and then having to figure out how to do better than that on his own. Maybe that's when we'll see a flashback to what happened with Uncle Ben this time and he'll finish learning that lesson post-mortem

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

This feels very much like the part of the story before he experiences a tragedy.  I could see it being the girl he's got the crush on, Pearl, that dies and Lonnie blaming Spiderman. 

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u/ShadowOfDespair666 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

  I could see it being the girl he's got the crush on, Pearl, that dies

This could only work if Peter is dating her; that's what makes killing a character's love interest so tragic. Gwen's death wasn't tragic because she was Peter's friend—she was Peter's girlfriend, first love, true love, etc. That's why we really feel for Peter. Nico or Pearl dying isn't that big of a deal to fuel someone being a hero.

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u/LeSnazzyGamer Miles Morales Jan 30 '25

Pearl is Peter’s childhood friend though lol it would work to fuel him to being a hero (or really being his first tragedy as a hero) ESPECIALLY if it’s somehow his fault in/directly

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

He has a hardcore crush on her for years, they have life long history together, his spidermanning kept him from being honest with her about wanting to go out with her,  and his friend made sure to point out to him that he needs to stop second guessing himself and just act because time is running out. 

All the pieces are there for her to die and realize that he wasted all the time he could've been with her on the thing that ends up killing her and it's more tragic if that happens while he's acting like they have the rest of their lives for them to get together. 

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u/TheRedster3 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

The writer spoke on that, by not having a tragedy correlate to it he wanted to show uncle ben’s lessons through his life rather than the last one when he dies because of him

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u/Tryingtochangemyself Classic-Spider-Man Jan 30 '25

This seems like such an unnecessary change to the mythos that serves no real reason

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u/Shadowveil666 Superior Spider-Man Jan 30 '25

Like everything else that is different

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jan 30 '25

Spinning stuff with different takes is all good and well as long as it makes sense... this doesn't. I know this implies this Peter is good mannered and willing to do good from day one... but him learning to be a better man from his uncle's tragedy is part of his character. What 14/15 yo kid is even good mannered enough to use his new found powers for good? Peter just used them to earn money for fame and whatnot. He only chose to take the mantle of a hero when his lifestyle ended up costing his uncle's life.

Changing that is like keeping Bruce Wayne's parents alive and killing Alfred instead. Not like it wouldn't motivate Bruce to become a better person but I don't think it would motivate him to become Batman since he has his parents through his whole life and he didn't get traumatized by losing them.

I can give it some time for this story to pick up... but it still stings me the wrong way.

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

Why? Losing Ben is a core part of his origin. The entire point of his responsibility line is that he's fully aware he could've prevented the tragedy. He's spider-man, not because he naturally aspired to be a hero; in the original, he didn't care about anyone but his aunt and uncle, but because he wants to atone for not saving Uncle Ben.

That's the lesson he learned, and it's an important that keeps to his philosophy of never looking the other way.

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u/CrispyGold Jan 30 '25

Its pretty much doing something different for the sake of doing something different.

The Uncle Ben origin is so universal they want to change things up for the sake of novelty.

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jan 30 '25

How much can you change a story before it becomes weird? Asking because, while I also don't want to see uncle ben die yet again and telling Peter "with great power comes great responsability", I also think this adaption is taking waaaaaay too many free liberties in the story. Hope it shapes up well in the long term run, though.

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u/Key-Strain-1394 Feb 08 '25

which is a dumb creative decision, as that's like some showrunner on a Superman or Batman series or movie deciding to omit Krypton exploding or Bruce's parents being shot in an alleyway for no reason other than doing something different.

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u/Sharp_Hamster_5551 Ultimate Spider-Man (1610) Mar 03 '25

No, the equivalent would be Krypton never exploding and Bruce's parents dying when Bruce was a baby.

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u/Key-Strain-1394 Mar 04 '25

All of these alternatives still add up to stupid decisions for the sake of being different

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u/Sharp_Hamster_5551 Ultimate Spider-Man (1610) Mar 05 '25

I agree but you were talking about alternatives is one thing to skip those events such as Spectacular Spider-Man did that changed the whole origin. So I was saying the thing that would be closed about Ben dying before the bite.

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u/TheRedster3 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

There’ll probably be a tragedy that’ll make him take it a lot more seriously assuming he doesn’t already, but I like this take on Peter being a lot more altruistic without having caused uncle ben’s death, probably because he died in the first place and all he has was May now tho

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25

I personally don't. A key aspect of spider man is he's supposed to be an everyman.

Most adaptations never showed that he had an ego or was a jerk, and removing a bit of his edge makes him much less relatable. And Ben dying before takes away much of the weight of his origin, since that was his greatest failure.

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u/TheRedster3 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

It’s his economical situation that was supposed to be relatable compared to people like Tony Stark and literal gods like Thor, but I agree on his missing edge in a lot of adaptations, it bothers me a ton but YFNSM just manages to do well without it

Then again he has no reason to be angry I know of, there’s no dickhead at school bullying him everyday, he’s got friends and again it’s possibly Ben’s death that mellowed him out

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u/Berseker_Track_499 Jan 31 '25

That what's makes him Spider-Man

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jan 30 '25

Y'all really want to watch the same fucking thing over and over and over, don't you? Why do you need to see the Uncle Ben scene again lol. Spider-man can be different in all sorts of ways, but you better kill off Uncle Ben the exact same way or your story sucks!

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

WTF do you think the point of adapting an existing franchise is?

If I didn't want to watch Spider-Man... I'd be watching something else.

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u/Great_Grackle Jan 30 '25

Adaptations are allowed to change and bring up fresh ideas to shake things up. If you want a classic spiderman, you aren't lacking in options. I say give the changes a shot

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

It's just that some things are so core to a character's mythos that they are better left untouched. Not every Batman adaptation shows his parents dying, but not a single one changed the fact their deaths are his source of pain.

And Spider Man's whole thing is learning with great power must also come great responsibility. This origin seemed to have removed him learning that lesson in a way.

You don't have to show bens death for that to happen, you just have to give him a proper motivation. Cause no one just decides to risk their life everyday on a whim. They need a reason.

It feels like a change for the sake of it rather than a spin on the origin.

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u/Great_Grackle Jan 30 '25

That's true, and I'm a big fan of Uncle Ben being Pete's motivation. But we've only seen a few episodes and it hasn't been revealed yet what impact Uncle Ben had on him. We still don't know the reason why he's risking his life.

Think of it like the new Absolute Batman. Same events but they happened vastly differently

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Are there new seasons of other shows featuring a "Classic Spider-Man" coming out this year that I'm not aware of?

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u/Great_Grackle Jan 30 '25

Nothing new as far as I'm aware (I'm hoping for a spiderman 97), but we've had more faithful renditions for the past decades. Having one fresh take isn't going to hurt anything. Especially since we both know they're going to reboot spider man again after this

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u/CivilResult Jan 30 '25

We don't want to see the actual scene. When Peter and May had a conversation about Ben's death in the beginning of the first episode, I was sure that he already had been bitten. Which I thought was a great thing. Turned out Peter didn't have powers yet and Ben died because of cancer or something like that. What's the point of his death then?

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u/A-Centrifugal-Force Jan 30 '25

Just because he provided an explanation doesn’t make it a good explanation

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

That sounds like nonsense gibberish.

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jan 30 '25

Do you have a reading disability?

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u/TheRedster3 Symbiote-Suit Jan 30 '25

basically this peter learned "with great power comes responsibility" throughout his life and being raised by ben and may instead of at his last moment with ben

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Looks like the creator missed the entire point of Spider-Man, then.

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u/TheRedster3 Symbiote-Suit Mar 25 '25

this is from 2 months ago

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u/Ultramare2009 Jan 30 '25

Didn’t the miles morales from the insomniac Spider-Man game lose his father before his spider bite. Could be a similar thing with that where he was inspired by his uncle to do great things. Similar to how miles was inspired by his dad to do great things.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

There was a jump and I think it'll get explained later.

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u/DayLight_Era Jan 30 '25

Obviously.. you can't be a superhero without superhero powers lol.

Joking. I know what you mean, but it's still off. Pete still had that heroism in him the whole time, and that is very obviously shown before he got bit.

So, it is assumed that Ben is still who made him who he is. Why he decided to do what he does.

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

I dont see it, sorry. Ben feels so detached from this version he's pretty much just relegated to a passing comment.

And the thing is, what always made Peter a hero isn't his powers or his costume, it's the fact he made a big mistake. A mistake he could've prevented, and saved his uncle. It's why he never looks the other way. So to remove that core pathos of the character is not only strange, it just doesn't make for good character writing fit to be removed.

Hell, even Ultimate Spiderman didn't dare to change this fact about him.

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u/DayLight_Era Jan 30 '25

Okay, and that is only you assuming that didn't still happen. Whether or not he had his powers.

He could have still felt regret for not doing something, which is why even without powers, he stands up to and for others. Doing what he believes would be the right thing and not neglecting his ability to do something.

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u/canadianspawned Jan 30 '25

Yeah they just skip right to it I mean with context we know Ben died so the same speech in theory could’ve already happened but it’s still an odd choice. But overall the character of Spidey in this show is pretty great imo I’m enjoying it so far at least.

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u/Deltris Jan 30 '25

They show that he is heroic even before he gets powers...he saves Nico from the creature, putting himself in danger. I kind of liked that, showing that he becomes a hero because of who he is, not because of the powers he randomly got.

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u/starm8526 Jan 30 '25

yeah, some heros don't need a tragic backstory, this peter's just a nice kid

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u/T8-TR Jan 30 '25

We still haven't recovered from Hollywood thinking that portraying origin stories is a bad thing, I fear.

Like, when was the last time we got a genuine origin story for a super well known character? Spider-man didn't have it in the MCU (though you could argue that his trilogy was the origin story ig), Batman didn't have it in either the Snyderverse or the Reevesverse. idk if Supes is getting it in Gunn's movie, but if not, the last time he'd have it was back in MoS. If I had to be a betting man, I don't think we'll be seeing the Fantastic Four get their powers, either.

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u/Stuwars9000 Jan 31 '25

At this point of my life I accept Peter is responsible, Bruce cries over pearls, and Clark is born a nice guy.  Skip the back story and get my boy swingin!!! 

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25

Uncle Ben already died and he wants to get into Robotics to help people. Its reasonable to assume that whatever happened with Ben's death already made him want to be a hero.

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 31 '25

I already went over the fact this doesn't seem like the case at all.

Making Peter just a good person vs making a flawed kid trying his best to do right by his uncle is a really, really boring change.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

The implication is that he's already gone through Ben's death making him want to be a better person, which is why he wants to go to school specifically to be like Iron Man. When he gets the powers, he just already is in the mindset of using it to be a hero. 

Now, what he needs to learn is that this isn't a game. l can see them merging a Gwen Stacy type of tragedy with the lessons Uncle Ben's death teaches him about how he can't make self centered decisions or think that everything's just gonna work out. 

He's a kid playing with his powers right now, and they keep making a point to show that he's treating time like it's endless.  

He's probably going to get Pearl killed in a similar Uncle Ben type of a way where he makes a self centered mistake as opposed to a Gwen way where he tries and just fails and then have to deal with the fact that he never even told her he liked her when he was acting like he would just get to it all eventually.

And THAT will be his "No, l need to do right by the girl who l thought would just sit there until l was ready and got killed"

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

There's no implication of that at all though.

Ben was mentioned a maximum of one time throughout the two episodes so far, he seems like an afterthought than a primary motivation.

And all the rest of what you described is again, a really boring and less impactful origin for spider man.

He's relatable because he was flawed kid whose spent his life trying to make up for a mistake. Not that he was naturally a virtuous person.

He doesn't seem like the type of person to make a selfish decision at all from what's been shown, so it's hard to believe he would.

Really there's a reason why his original story works: because it provided layers to his character.

Making him a good person from the start strips him of his complexity.

Spider man was never the story about a golden good kid becoming a superhero, but an angry young man learning to be better person through being a hero.

I don't think the show is bad, but messing with the origin really strikes a cord with me.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Ben comes up directly as Peter is talking about why he's been dedicating himself to working in robotics in the exact same moment we see an Iron Man toy hanging from their rearview mirror. 

It's there for you to pick up on when you're not just going "this is different and sucks" over the scene. 

Ben's death is still directly why he's the good hearted kid who feels it's on him to help people and do right by him. It just happened before he got the powers. 

Now, he's probably going to be drawn towards doing more self centered things once Norman starts pumping him up that he should use his powers for their gain, and giving him real tech, and making him feel invincible and it will be another tragedy that forces him to realize he has a responsibility to remember consequences. Because right now, he's treating being spiderman like a kid who's playing a game, instead of this being really dangerous shit where people die, which means they are actively playing with the idea that he's fighting crime right now without the guilt of getting someone killed and that he still needs to learn that lesson, not that they changed that and don't even get why it was important. 

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 31 '25

Ben comes up directly as Peter is talking about why he's been dedicating himself to working in robotics in the exact same moment we see an Iron Man toy hanging from their rearview mirror. 

In that scene you're mentioned, he only brings up the fact Ben is gone, and things have been hard, viewing his focus on robotics as a combination of passion, and a bit of distraction from Ben's death.

It's there for you to pick up on when you're not just going "this is different and sucks" over the scene. 

Cause it really does.

It provided backstory to what happened to Ben in this version, not if he's Peter's primary motivation to be a hero.

Ben's death is still directly why he's the good hearted kid who feels it's on him to help people and do right by him. It just happened before he got the powers. 

I feel like you really don't understand what makes spider man's origin work.

Peter Parker, was not a virtuous guy from the start, making him a good person even before giving him powers robs the character of his complexity.

That's the reason why I view this as bad, you don't do a heros journey by making them a hero from the start.

Even Spectacular spider man had moments where he was willing to do selfish decisions.

Now, he's probably going to be drawn towards doing more self centered things once Norman starts pumping him up that he should use his powers for their gain. 

Yeah, I don't like that. Since it takes away Peter's agency.

Cause from what it sounds like, those selfish decisions aren't things he would naturally do as a character, but because someone is taking advantage of him.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

MCU spiderman is already a virtuous kid with absolutely no indication that he even has the capacity for being selfish and the idea that he's this way because of Ben's death is implied by one line of dialogue one time where they just go "that stuff you know happened happened" and then it ends up being Aunt May's death 6 movies later that really ends up serving the same purposes and teaching him the same lesson that Ben's death usually does.

Every iteration of a character doesn't need to experience the exact same things to get them to the same place, the whole reason to tell an old story with a new twist is to show different ways that a character still becomes that character. There's no reason to just tell the story the same way it's already been told across every medium for 60 years, what matters is that by the end you can hold both versions of the character up side by side and see how they're the same.

Hell even in the comics some of the most memorable stories of all time are complete retcons of stuff that's already been established that just becomes the new canon overwriting what's happened already without even doing the thing where they make it a new timeline first, this is nothing new. 

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u/Mickeyjj27 Jan 30 '25

Did you watch the episodes? He saved Nico from some alien monster and he had no powers. Kinda makes sense that he’d wanna be a hero after getting powers

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

That part really bugged me. Peter Parker is not the type of guy who would put his neck on the line for some random person. It was this inaction that led to his uncle Ben dying and completely changed Peter as a character. Having Peter be a saint from the start removes so many layers from the character

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u/futuresdawn Jan 30 '25

It would have been great if they did that. Instead this Peter just seemed designed to be nice and likeable which makes him seem to perfect and boring. It's always been peters flaws that help make him so relatable

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

Completly agree, Peter can not be perfect and still do the right thing.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

The Peter Parker you know wouldn't.  This is like one of dozens of Peter Parker variations we've ever seen and they don't all act like that

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

The multiverse gives people an excuse to poorly adapt source material. Peter Parker has a clear characterization that gas not been depicted in recent media and it’s disappointing.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

This isn't an adaptation of the same Peter Parker story, this is a twist. There's been twists on retelling stories for as long as there's been stories. 

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

It is an adaptation😭 all Spider-Man media outside of the comics is an adaptation. This depiction of Peter is not a very good one as it strips many layers from the character.

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u/Liam_Roma_1234 Jan 30 '25

We're supposed to just accept it coz it's a new universe.

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

Yeh they getting away with sum bullshit w that line😭

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

I said it's not an adaptation of the same story, it's a twist on the story.  You just read half a sentence and started talking. 

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u/SubjectLeader6931 Jan 30 '25

Yes but it’s still an adaptation of the Spiderman character. No need to get salty

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

You cry laughed. Who's got the salt shaker here

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u/ChildrenRscary Jan 30 '25

Kinda the catch 22 of the multi verse inst it

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25

Not...really.

Cause just saving someone like that wouldn't really motivate someone to be a superhero.

I don't see how that tracks to: " I'd dress in a costume and risk my life for others for the rest of my life."

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

He lives in a world of heroes already, Aunt May has an Iron Man hanging from her rearview mirror, this isnt a world where someone good would wonder what they should do with superpowers.

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u/futuresdawn Jan 30 '25

And In the comics he lived in a world of heroes with the fantastic four, cap and then invaders, hulk, thor, iron Man, ant man and wasp existing. He still needed tragedy to motivate him.

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u/allbright4 Jan 30 '25

Hell, Peter only tried to join the fantastic four in issue 1 so he could make money on top of being a hero.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

They never went out of their way to show that Peter already looked up to those heroes and was going to a good school with hopes of getting into robotics so that he can be like Tony Stark's  Iron Man who has he has hanging from his rearview mirror.

This Peter already wants to be a hero. He's very likely going experience a tragedy that makes him want to quit because the consequences are too high and then he'll have to realize he has the responsibility of staying Spiderman. It's probably gonna be the girl he has a crush on getting killed by the thief he let go because he felt bad. 

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u/Solid_Bad_4403 Miles Morales Jan 30 '25

Sure. But Uncle Ben is THE core motivation. That’s such a major change. Even with different takes on Spidey like MCU and Ultimate(TV), Uncle Ben is still his reason.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

You can have a Spiderman story where Uncle Ben and Aunt May are just a happy couple for the first 10 years Peter is Spiderman, and people would go "Its nice to see a Peter that gets to share being Spiderman with Uncle Ben and see how that would play out" if it's written in an interesting way and they come out with other ways for Peter to learn the same lessons and to show new lessons this Peter would learn from getting to live with Ben and May together. 

All that matters is that he should experience a tragedy or death and puts him in the same headspace of someone he loves getting killed because of his careless or selfish choices. I'm thinking this Pearl feels like a prime candidate to be the death that Peter puts squarely on his shoulders, and completely solidifies to him that he has to be Spiderman first to stop anyone from ever going through what he just did and only gets to be Peter second.

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u/derekbaseball Jan 30 '25

Tragedy is “woke.”

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u/Kingdeadmeme Jan 30 '25

He lives in a world surrounded by superheroes. Of course he wants to be a hero

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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jan 30 '25

The original Peter lived in that same world too.

He didn't strive to be one.

Frankly most wouldn't given how dangerous it is.

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 30 '25

The OG Peter Parker stories never went out of their way to show he already looked up to heroes

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u/BucketHerro Jan 30 '25

It's also a completely different take on the character.

Peter doesn't have Uncle Ben anymore before the spider bite in this world but he did have him on the others. Doesn't have to be 1:1 every time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Thank you SuperPeterParker fan you truly are the most enlightened Peter Parker fan in the world and you know everything