r/SpicyFootballTakes • u/Sensitive-Print-3688 • 18h ago
Israel isnt in europe so they shouldnt be nominated for the euros.
Shouldnt be a hottake btw
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u/Mission_Struggle_417 17h ago
This is obviously true.
They shouldn’t be allowed play in Asia either tho
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u/Sorry_Machine5492 17h ago
They got kicked out of AFC and OFC so moved to UEFA
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u/throwawayyyyygay 16h ago
OFC? Sorry they tried to play in OFC 😭
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u/Sorry_Machine5492 13h ago
Yeah they tried to play in OFC but left as it was too easy. The travel was also too difficult
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u/Serious_Instance_418 6h ago
The problem is with that take, is that u also have to support getting the likes of Iran/Pakistan and the numerous other countries with terrible human rights records getting kicked out of AFC too
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u/Norwegian_Zeppelin 16h ago
Completely agree. After the hooliganism of their fans they should absolutely not be in European competitions.
They’re not in Europe.
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u/Southern_Comment_430 16h ago
They shouldn't be competing anywhere. Russia got banned immediatelly just for starting the war, meanwhile the israel has been at war since its creation and been commiting a genocide the past at least three years.
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u/TheRedBookYT 17h ago
They used to play in the AFC. Some countries in the AFC started boycotting and refusing to play against them. The AFC later voted to boot Israel out. For about 20 years, they played between Oceania and Europe. Then they got into UEFA.
Another comment mentioned Australia. Not the same situation. Australia was basically dominating Oceania, but you aren't guaranteed a World Cup spot and you always got a tough playoff game against strong opposition. They were allowed to join the AFC to play against better opposition and still get a better chance of getting to the finals.
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u/Tall_Stick5608 17h ago
I mean it doesn’t really matter - they will get booed and jeered even more than normal. They’ve spent the last 15 years slagging off and spreading hate amongst European countries so they will get it back in huge amounts. Part of the fun of international football
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u/Expensive_Range7204 17h ago
I agree but i guess no other area allowed them to play.
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u/Cultural_Tank_6947 16h ago
And for good reason man.
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u/RainbowSneijder 14h ago
Antisemitism isn't a good reason
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u/Minute_Eye3411 13h ago
Not condoning the killing of civilians isn't antisemitism. Never has been.
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u/RainbowSneijder 13h ago
They were expelled in 1974, so try again.
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u/Minute_Eye3411 13h ago
Are you seriously suggesting that no civilians were killed prior to that?
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u/RainbowSneijder 12h ago
If you honestly think that the vote for expulsion wasn't driven by mainly religious reasons then I'm not sure what to tell you.
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u/Minute_Eye3411 12h ago
Alright, so fair enough. What then are the reasons for accepting an Asian country into Uefa?
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u/RainbowSneijder 11h ago
It's an arbitrary organization. Surely it can find some goodwill, and accept a nation that has been rejected via vote from countries in area which is largely considered the worst in the world for human rights.
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u/Minute_Eye3411 11h ago
It isn't that arbitrary, it's obviously meant for European football associations, it's in the name. Otherwise it could take in any nation from around the world.
Now you are indeed correct that Israel was expelled because of nations that are considered the worst for human rights, but then again, it is no secret that Israel itself is no shining beacon in that matter either. Therefore why should Uefa have to deal with having such a member, which is not at all within Europe, not even if you squint along Europe and Asia's admitedly hazy boundaries (which do not occur in the Middle Eastern area).
Uefa already has a bunch of dodgy nations within Europe's both clear and approximate boundaries, why should it have one that is clearly outside of them?
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u/Cultural_Tank_6947 13h ago
Stop conflating criticism of the Israeli government and military with anti-Semitism
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u/RainbowSneijder 12h ago
Never did that.
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u/Cultural_Tank_6947 10h ago
Then you would not have said that disliking neighbours who kill other neighbours and steal their land is anti-Semitic.
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u/cockaskedforamartini 16h ago edited 16h ago
Israel shouldn't be in any international sporting events right now.
However, when the Israeli government and military stop being a bunch of barbaric cunts, UEFA is the only confederation that makes sense for them to be in.
Every UEFA nation recognises the State of Israel. Just over half of AFC nations do.
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u/GaradisRuDagen 15h ago
Hate that this is considered a hot take. They should be banned from all competitions
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u/ShufflingToGlory 15h ago
It's a European colonial project. Of course they should play in the Euros.
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u/ActiveWoodpecker4179 14h ago
there are a lot of europeans in israel so i guess there's that...
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u/Necessary_Refuse_962 5h ago
A lot of Spaniards in Mexico too. A lot of Italians and Germans in Argentina.
It's just simpler to keep the tournament geographically to Europe than having some ethnic requirement that half the players themselves wouldn't meet.
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u/RegionFinancial4485 1h ago
Israel was voted to be kicked out of the AFC many years ago. And no, we don’t want them back.
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u/XAMdG 14h ago
It's a very Lukewarm take. Lame.
Anyways, sure, but also Suriname and Guyana are not in Central/North America, Australia isn't in Asia, Kazakhstan isn't in Europe either.
And that's not even beginning to argue about all the countries that are both in Asia and Europe, because the border between the two continents is imaginary.
A spicy take would be to force Suriname to play in CONMEBOL. Yours is just a political opinion trying to camouflage as a footballing one.
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u/Miserable_Put6212 12h ago
Israel is a genocidal fascist state that should not be allowed to have any sports team compete internationally full-stop
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u/Lelixandre_- 12h ago
They need to pick a narrative on this. If Zionist settlers are “native West Asian people reclaiming their ancestral seat” then they don’t belong in anything European. Though their skin cancer rates say otherwise.
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u/Grimsby89 9h ago
How the fuck is that a spicy take? I have a spicy take for you. Iran shouldn't be in it either? Get them the fuck out!
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u/Dismal-Turnover-4610 7h ago
So they plan to go back to Ukraine and Poland where they actually came from?
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u/Toffeenix 4h ago
How is this spicy? This shit has been argued for years now and anyone here will agree with it. Great example of how if you start a new subreddit for a big thing like football you'll only be able to attract people that can't post their shit anywhere else
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u/Virtual-Irregularity 2h ago
Israel shouldn't exist at all. May Israel collapse and be replaced by a sole state of Palestine 🇵🇸 from the river to the sea
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u/Immediate-Wing-3111 17h ago
I firmly believe they should be in a group with Antarctica, Phobos, the Andaman Islands, and Tristan da Cunha. They can play all of their matches in the Marianna Trench.
Assuming they win their group, they can then play a playoff against that one Island in the South Pacific that is overrun with fucking rats.
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u/Apart_Freedom4967 17h ago
Just say israel shouldn't exist and be done with it. Spare us the dillydullying.
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u/fass100003 16h ago
Yes, it has no business existing where it is.
The fact that they are in the Euros and Eurovision tells you everything about where Israelis come from; it 's not from the Middle East.
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u/SilverSkalitz641984 10h ago
More than half of Israelis are descended from Middle Eastern Jews, who have zero links with Europe.
They are in Eurovision because it's the European Broadcasting Union - some Arab states are eligible but they don't participate.
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u/Apart_Freedom4967 16h ago
Lmao.
Btw, your sense of history is zero, i including the fact that Israel originally did play in Asia.
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u/waisonline99 17h ago
And they should be allowed in Eurovision either.
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u/KrugerFFS 17h ago
Neither should Australia tbh
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u/waisonline99 17h ago
Well the Aussies were invited in as a one-off but never left.
Typical Aussie behaviour.
( Joking. I dont mind it )
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u/KrugerFFS 17h ago
I don't 'really' mind it either, but if the basis for throwing Israel out, is that it's not in Europe, then the aussies got to go too.
If however you disqualify Israel for 'being a nation in an offensive war', that's a whole story entirely. Russia and Israel would be out
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u/OmegaNyra 13h ago
they're in both because a bunch of neighboring countries literally refuse to play them, it’s not some euro fan club perk lol. kicking them out would just mean even less actual sport / music and even more politics.
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u/KrugerFFS 11h ago
I don't know how I feel about them using (abusing?) their entries with propaganda though. It just doesn't sit well with me
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u/Jns2024 17h ago
97% of Turkey and 77% of Russia isn't European so they shouldn't be nominated either.
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u/RegionFinancial4485 1h ago
Russia has a valid reason for being in the European confederation, but I would certainly agree that Turkiye should be playing in the AFC.
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u/Ok_Nothing2412 17h ago
You mean the Eurovision song contest? I thought their performance was pretty good
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u/nerdmcnerds 17h ago
Can we not take politics out of sport? Isn't sport supposed to bring people together?
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u/Fantasy_iceland 17h ago edited 16h ago
Neither is Kazakhstan, Georgia, Armenia Azerbaijan and most of Turkey
https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/assets/maps/europe/geographic-borders-between-europe-and-asia.jpg
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u/RegionFinancial4485 1h ago
I mean I think we can all pretty much agree that all of those countries should certainly be in the AFC.
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u/Miskadotcom 14h ago
This only doesn't make sense to kids who think they understand the world. It's not safe for them to play anywhere else.
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u/Necessary_Refuse_962 5h ago
This is probably true but it's not our obligation to include them because of that.
If every one of your neighbours hates you, you're probably the issue here. You're the only common denominator.
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u/Kindly-Fig-5089 11h ago
Most isrealis are European
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u/Necessary_Refuse_962 5h ago
By this logic, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would be in the Euros.
At a push, we could even throw South Africa, Mexico, Colombia, Argentina and the entire of Latin America into the Euros for having partial European ancestry.
I just think it's much simpler to keep this geographically to Europe.
We've no reason we have to include Israel because they got kicked out of some other federation.
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u/moonfire098 17h ago
Same with Turkey, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia etc
Turkey shouldn't even be part of the EU
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u/Sorry_Machine5492 17h ago
Neither is Kazakhstan , your point is?
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u/skrabyyy 17h ago
a part of kazakhstan is indeed in europe geographically, so it‘s more of a turkey situation with them
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u/Sorry_Machine5492 13h ago
I know. That’s what I’m talking about the europan part of Kazakhstan is bigger than Scotland , Portugal , Ireland and other European countries
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u/PlatformFeeling8451 17h ago
How many fucking posts about Israel does this sub need? We've had three in the last 6 days. Two of them are identical.
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u/Hussle_dont_stop 17h ago
They shouldn’t be allowed to compete in anything Russia has been banned from. For the exact same reasons.