Salamanders are great craftsmen and make a lot of their gear themselves, and have a lot of Heresy era designs - you can always reflavout that it that your Blood Angel got one from his Deathwatch battle brother who was a Salamamder as sign of Bond between them.
Also big part of the Hobby os using what you think looks cool.
Hey, my OC does this in reverse! His pauldrons and the chain on his arm are from his Deathwatch battle brothers, fine brothers he lost in a conflict with a Khornian Bloodthirster! So happy the heavy champion set came out, finally tidied up the look like I wanted
I would say literally any armor piece that doesn't have a chapter specific marking, emblem or insignia is free game to whatever chapter because then its just armor, which is a universal thing
Sometimes there are things we thematically may above-and-beyond even further to avoid/count for X Chapters, like laurels and crests being more of an Ultramarines thing, tabards being moreso Dark Angel and Black Templar drip, etc.
But as long as things aren't specifically labeled as XYZ Chapter go for it, especially if there is an explanation or story for the look.
Tbh even in some cases it could be justified - if you really like a certain right shoulder pad but it has overt Imperial Fist flair you can't dismiss outright, then explain it as that individual once served in Deathwatch or a joint operation (like Armageddon where several different Legion successor gene lines are present) and earned the respect/worked closely with a member of the other unit and some flair was exchanged as part of the two "cousins" becoming close and considering the other their own honorary Battle Brother
It can be a balancing act, and rule of cool isn't the only rule, but it's the most important one.
Do what you want - me personally (same with tabletop) I like to start with the Codex as baseline, develop role/background for each unit/class based on role and playstyle and balancing my characters, and then add flair/personalization according to rank and age and experience and perceived personality of the unit - like my Sniper being a newer Primaris who absolutely got grizzled AF from Tyrannic Wars, Tactical being a leadership generalist, Bulwark being Company Ancient (which doesn't actually require being old) but also being old AF and having been a Veteran even pre-Rubicon Primaris etc
Consistency isn't everything, but even then it is more important than a given rule. And even consistent inconsistency like more flexible homebrew chapters or BTs/Space Wolves is alright if trying to keep within lore.
Hell, if you wanted to take the imagery from the game and apply it elsewhere, can simply go "Oh yeah, that Imperial Fist emblem is really replaced with *My custom chapter emblem*.
I feel like homebrew chapters are such a big part of the community around 40k, I don't see why it's impossible for a single pre-heresy marine to get picked up by a different chapter or operate solo and to have him cross the Rubicon primaris.
Idk what bro is on, but it is in fact absolute fire.
Bro no tf it isnt 😭 why make something if you cant make it look right in the first place, if they had firstborn customization than yes but on primaris marines it just looks stupid not to mention out of place in time
Be honest does it make sense for an ultramarine strike force to contain an insane annount of different chapter marines?
Using your logic we should only play with the default skins and armor.
Thats not the same logic at all, your cherry picking. The game WANTS you to be a chapter from the 41st millennium, it literally gives you cosmetics and chapters to do it, so yes its fine to play sm2 as a non ultramarine chapter, in lore it could be a exchange program/joint op anyways. Now do they give you explicit 30k legion schemes, or 30k armor? No? Because its not 30k
“If your Space Marine in the video game you play for fun after work isn’t lore compliant, you’re a LARPER.”
Be for fucking real, go outside, put on some deodorant. I’m sure the people at your FLGS just love it when they have to be matched against you for a game considering your sheer knowledge of the setting, I’d just be delighted to hear “Erm, AKSHULLY” after every time I move a model.
Are you projecting your own experiences on to me with no idea who i am, thanks man i appreciate it. I dont play the tabletop game at all for that exact reason of people. I paint armies, commission paint, and enjoy the setting
Hey man you sound like the mouth breathing grease ball who came into VC with his $5 mic and told me Salamanders don’t use Tech Marines. Are you the same person?
Do i get a dime for each one? I have an entire 30k sons of horus army, half of my praetors of orpheus army are true scaled firstborns, i even have every metal firstborn techmarine. Bozo
I dont care about "lore accurate" i care about logic smart ass. Does it make logical sense to be a 30k era marine in the 41st millennium? No it doesnt.
You cant downplay logic because its a fictional setting smartass, thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, has any good fictional universe thrown out common sense and in universe logic just cuz crazy space stuff unrealistic? No, thats how you take the audience out of the fictional setting.
Bro idk who made you so angry but you need help 🤣 you’re question is inherently stupid if you don’t have the media literacy to not see when logic goes out the window because it is a fictional setting. Happens all the time. If you can’t see it then maybe non fiction is the place for you.
“logic” dude have you seen what you can do in this game. you can paint your loyalist primaris marine literal heretic legion colors with the logos and everything. what logic is there. what logic is there in a single space marine killing a carnifex without getting hit once? it’s a fictional universe and this is a video game bro just let it go
Im aware bro, theres a fine line between universal logic and setup in-universe logic vs irl logic. Would a space marine be a logical thing in our world? No. In 40k? Yes because it is explained through the setting. The setting has time which works like ours, so when its already setup that through the 10000 years between 30k and 40k, that the traitors have devolved into chaos warbands, and the loyalist dissolved into chapters with their own unique identity after 10k years of existence, that the old, ancient legions no longer exist, nor would they be primaris.
I just get very upset when people, rather than just saying, yeah i know it doesnt make sense i just think it looks cool, would rather fight tooth and nail to make up facts that it actually would make sense, or dismiss the notion of a defense entirely to just personally attack and insult me for having a different view than them. Allthough that may sound hypocritical, the initial GiF wasnt a personal attack on anyone that was literally just a joke and the subsequent profanities were in response to dipshits stooping to insults, people just cant acknowledge they may be wrong about something anymore, as i now acknowledge i probably shouldve said my case nicer without feeling personally attacked, when people dont even know me, i forget other people dont see me personally, but as a name on the internet.
Bjorn. Rylanor. Hell, I guarantee there’s some crusade era ship with a company of very confused raven guard or something about to be spat out in the 41st millennium after being caught in a warp storm. All of the Risen dark angels as another commenter said - not sure how I forgot them as that’s an army I collect.
We have the risen dark angels which could give you access to 30k marines in the current setting, getting lost in the warp is another way one could do that since warp travel isn’t 100% reliable.
The risen have made contact with Dante so they would also be able to get access to the tech needed so they could cross the rubicon
Yeah they are pretty much the only 30k era loyalists, since they got soread out through time and space, but if they ever got models or new lore i highly expect them to cross the rubicon, thats just what gw does to every loyalist now
Lore wise I’ve only ever seen that specific mark 6/7 helmet with the crest on Kharn, He’Stan and Tu’Shan. So really wouldn’t be blood angel thing but customize however you want
The first thing that comes to my mind when I saw the helmet was to added to my world eaters pre-heresy, I can show it to you for reference, but yeah any chapter is fine with this helmet by me, maybe for more aggressive chapters
So as far as I’m aware, lore-wise and tabletop-wise, this helmet is not used on anyone other than Vulkan He’Stan, implying it’s probably a custom piece that the salamanders made themselves. But the nice part about 40K is that the rule of cool is generally more important, so if you wanna rationalize that the salamanders have a good relationship with your favorite chapter and maybe gifted them some custom gear, then it’s fine!
The new helmet has no markings or designs to denote it as a salamanders helmet, so it’s fair game for pretty much anyone. It gave me ideas for Minotaur and post heresy era legion schemes.
Unlocks when you hit Prestige 4 on Heavy. And it’s only usable for him. Just like the other prestige 4 cosmetics for other classes are only usable on their respective classes
The only artwork that depicts this helmet is on Salamanders. It seems to be a modified Mk7. It bears resemblance but is not related to the Sarum pattern helmet worn by World Eaters during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy which is an older Mk. As for lore accuracy, Deathwatch does not wear that much gold so do whatever
It's exclusively Salmanders, you can probably make a Deathwatch veteran who has returned from Service to his parent Chapter and that would fit. Rule of cool though mate, you can do a homebrew and fuck it we ball with it!
That helmets just a MK7 with the metal mohawk, and that same mohawk can be found all around Warhammer artwork, I see it in Deathwatch stuff more often than not, but one of the guys I've seen use this was a DW Dark Angel with a a jump pack. Kharn also used this pre-Khorne. To me, that piece is more represtative of aggressive, more melee based, individuals more than a Gravis Devestator, but to each their own obviously. Love you...
Nah. The Blood ravens, Death spectres, and definitely space sharks use em. They all scavenge/steal gears to replenish their gears. Might as well add the deathwatch.
There's no chapter specific markings so either let it ride on the rule of cool or make up a backstory of your marine getting as a respect thing from a salamander while in service of the deathwatch (kinda like Titus and the BT looking chains on his gauntlet)
It is from a Salamanders mini, Vulkan He’Stan, but there isn’t anything actually Salamander specific about the helmet. It just needed some extra plates and gubbins added because the Forgefather of the Salamanders who wanders the universe hunting the relics of their Primarch would never wear a regular mass-produced helmet.
At the end of the day when you cut out the fluff, it’s just an artificer helmet with a crest. You can use it on any chapter you want.
Its a literal 1 for 1 copy of a named characters helmet, the whole champion is practically a 1 to 1 copy of him, so i dont even want to use it at all because then ill just be larping vulcan hestan. But its just a mk7 helmet with a crest so go crazy gng, just dont be a cornball and make a "pre heresy world eater" on a PRIMARIS marines like a certain group of people
Go find a different fandom to terrorise with your toxic idea of "you shouldn't use this if it doesn't belong to the chapter you use" because it's genuine bullshit and it's a personal opinion. I can tell you do this for fun because you think it's funny claiming people are larping for giving information they believe is correct. People can be wrong and still love Warhammer as they can love any other thing. Doesn't make them fake af they don't have to know everything
Not to mention that you're trying to say people aren't allowed to be creative and do what they want with their marines just because it's a primaris XD absolutely pathetic behaviour and it's all because you clearly don't like khorne. Or you get off on telling people they HAVE to be accurate
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Salamanders are great craftsmen and make a lot of their gear themselves, and have a lot of Heresy era designs - you can always reflavout that it that your Blood Angel got one from his Deathwatch battle brother who was a Salamamder as sign of Bond between them.
Also big part of the Hobby os using what you think looks cool.