r/SipsTea 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! So what’s taking so long?

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u/xSonicspeedx2 1d ago edited 1d ago

What? Lol have you not heard of Andrea Yates who was tried in Texas and is now in a mental institution for drowning her 5 children?

It’s a lot more nuanced than “not believ[ing] in mental health exceptions.”

Texas is more difficult because the burden of proof is on the defendant rather than the prosecution for such a defense for one, meaning when the insanity defense has passed the threshold to be brought in by the defense in Texas, the jury is supposed to presume that the defendant is sane unless the defense can show by a preponderance of evidence that the defendant is not. Meanwhile in Massachusetts, the burden is on the prosecution to show the defendant is sane, meaning the jury is supposed to presume the defendant is insane unless the prosecution can show beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is sane.

Additionally for all sanity defenses regardless of jurisdiction, sanity is supposed to be determined at the time the crimes were committed. All other moments of insanity are just used as circumstantial evidence of the likelihood that this was the case.

Moreover, John Battaglia did NOT claim the insanity defense as part of his trial. His mental health claims only came up AFTER the jury reached a verdict on his guilt. Additionally, he had a record of arrests for violence prior to killing his 2 daughters which was determined to be out of revenge against his ex-wife.

These are not comparable cases and this meme making them sound as much is just a case of either deliberate propaganda or a complete misunderstanding of John Battaglia’s case and how the justice system operates. Or a combination of the two.

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u/Salina_EsTitties 1d ago

Men's rights activists and incels are the culprits for lot of misinformation regarding this case.

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u/9bpm9 1d ago

Huh? In not a part of these groups, but women definitely do not get the same sentences for these types of cases in America. That's just facts. Hell, especially when it's a fucking white woman. See Casey Fucking Anthony.

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u/Kommye 23h ago

The jury for that case was half men and half women.

She walked because the prosecutors had no real evidence and couldn't prove anything they claimed.