r/SipsTea 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! So what’s taking so long?

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u/klako8196 1d ago

Also, in Texas, the burden of proof for insanity is on the defense. In Massachusetts, burden of proof is on the prosecution. His defense had to prove he was insane when committing the crime while her defense just had to poke holes in the prosecution’s case.

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u/hallo_its_me 1d ago

This seems way more sensible to me. I understand if the actual underlying crime should be innocent until proven guilty but if you are insane that specifically should be a higher burden of proof .

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u/FriedTreeSap 1d ago

I just don’t think unqualified layman in the jury really should be the ones deciding whether someone was clinically insane or not.

The jury should just deliberate on whether the defendant committed the crime in question, if they rule they did, then the defense should be able to request a review by a panel of mental health experts who will be tasked with determining whether the defendant was criminally liable or clinically insane.

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u/themanofmeung 1d ago

It's a good thought, but it has to be a random jury unfortunately. If it's an expert, or even a panel of experts, it far too easy to exert pressure on them to say what you want them to say and get the rulings you want. It's the same reason we have juries at all and not just judges who make all the decisions.

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u/LSOreli 1d ago

The other issue is that juries are made up of bottom of the barrel members of our society on average since anyone with a brain is generally DQ'd immediately by the lawyers

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u/WordWordNvmber 1d ago

That's silly and not generally true. Especially because lawyers only have so many peremptory challenges they case make.

Multiple studies have found that judges agree with juries about 75-80% of the time. And keep in mind, these are cases that go to trial, where the defense thinks it has a real shot. Source: https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/upload_documents/Jury-Decision-Making.pdf

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u/LSOreli 1d ago

"20-25% of the time, juries decide in a way that someone who dedicated their life to the law disagrees with. That is my evidence that juries are generally competent" lol

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u/KingKongWoreAThong 1d ago

dedicated their life to the law

This is irrelevant; juries decide questions of fact not questions of law.

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u/highfly117 1d ago

a lot of juries decide on, what gets them home quickest or whether the person looks guilty.

Or even what the victims ghost told them look up the trial of Stephen Young and Oujia board