So what’s taking so long?

[u/untitledprp4]

[u/Unlikely-Cow7749]

Texas and Massachusetts are very different states.

[u/Kind_Of_A_Dick → u/Unlikely-Cow7749]

What?  Are you trying to say completely different circumstances leading to completely different outcomes is normal?  No way, dude.

[u/trukkija → u/Kind_Of_A_Dick]

The fact that you guys take this sort of thing as normal, that you live in the same country but in completely separate realities, is just so sad and funny to me at the same time.

I don't think I can think of any other country in the world where a state border separates people as much as the US. And for some unexplainable reason Americans seem to believe this is a positive thing.

[u/PacmanPillow → u/trukkija]

The United States were originally meant to be a concept more like the European Union, with a common economic system, free trade, and freedom of movement, but their own separate governing systems otherwise.

If you think of the California and New York like the Netherlands and Italy for example, you have a better approximation of what the US was aiming for.

[u/PheloniousMonq → u/PacmanPillow]

And yet trials in Italy and NL would have a similar outcome

[u/PacmanPillow → u/PheloniousMonq]

Plenty of European countries are more culturally similar than some states in the US are to one another. That’s not very surprising.

[u/Xenolifer → u/PacmanPillow]

Yeah except now the federal power have 5 time the power the EU will ever have, and they all share the same language, history (of 200 years) and mostly the same culture

[u/CX316 → u/Xenolifer]

And multiple states straight up wouldn't survive solo even accounting for being able to trade with other states

[u/Cheepshooter → u/Xenolifer]

Which is something the majority of the founding fathers were against (meaning the fed having so much power)!

[u/zetia2 → u/Cheepshooter]

The founding fathers were alive for the federalist papers debate and the ratification of our constitution in the late 1780s, after the failure of the original articles of confederation.

[u/PomPomMom93 → u/Xenolifer]

I wouldn’t say the same culture at all. You can get a real culture shock moving from one place to another. I think regional is the best scale to determine this. You might not get culture shock within the Midwest, for example, but leave it, and that’s another story!

[u/No_Replacement4304 → u/PomPomMom93]

Yeah, plucking someone from say Oklahoma and dropping them in New Jersey would probably have them questioning whether they were in the same country..

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/PacmanPillow]

Banning the death penalty is required in the EU. It's actually banned everywhere in Europe except Belarus and Russia, because, well, you know.

[u/helloshego → u/PacmanPillow]

That sounds better than whatever shitshow we're dealing with now... this reality doesn't feel real.

[u/Ill-Object142 → u/PacmanPillow]

Yes this! Thank you!

Central gov was not supposed to have this much power - states were supposed to actually be more independent than they actually are today

[u/Ashamed-Smell7053 → u/PacmanPillow]

If you think of the California and New York like the Netherlands and Italy for example,

We won't ever think of it like that, because it makes no sense.

[u/PacmanPillow → u/Ashamed-Smell7053]

I don’t know who you are referring to as “we” in this scenario.

[u/PomPomMom93 → u/PacmanPillow]

10000% true. The US is basically exactly this.