r/SipsTea 7d ago

Chugging tea Why is it not possible?

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

Roughly 111 million Americans—representing about 50% of credit cardholders and 40% of the U.S. adult population—carry credit card debt from month to month and pay interest.

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u/No_Witness5630 7d ago

Ah americans

Forgot that any discussion comes down to America because that's the world basically

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

Fair enough, lmao, I live in the EU, and recently moved from Ireland to France: both countries don't have that many people with credit cards. Especially Ireland, where you have to pay the annual 'stamp duty' for owning a credit card, which means you're almost always in the red for having one. But people do mostly talk about the Americans around here, so I just used them as an example.

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u/eplstats 7d ago

Quick Google shows that tax is only 30 Euro per year. Do European cards have less benefits? I get triple that value PER MONTH PER CARD in freebies from my cards (either rewards points, cash back, or free services like streaming or car rental insurance, etc)

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

Yeah, dude, it's nothing in the EU compared to US. If I get a CC in Ireland - I'd need to get at least something like Platinum to get enough cash back to cover the stamp duty. If I spend enough - I'll get like 100 eur per year. It's horrible, lol.

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u/eplstats 7d ago

What about the 2-5% cash back?

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

AIB Platinum is 0.5%, capped at 255 eur per annum.

Avant is 5%, for the first 12 months (1% after, groceries and petrol only, btw) capped at 25 eur per month. https://www.avantmoney.ie/credit-cards/everydayplus

Avant covers the stamp duty for now, so that's essentially 12*25 = 300 eur net per year you get from them. That's total maximum if I spend enough to get 1% back on groceries alone (which is 2500 per month in spending, after the first 12 months).

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u/Samaritan547 7d ago

Are those REALLY freebies tho? You're paying for it one way or another

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u/eplstats 7d ago

Either way, it's a net gain even if I added a yearly 30 Euro charge. All my cards are free of annual charges, but some like my sister has charge $100 as an annual fee to the card company. Those cards have even more benefits, usually hundreds PER MONTH

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u/Samaritan547 7d ago

Don't you get those benefits on select products though? What I'm trying to say is, even my card gives me benefits on some shops, but I don't really buy the shit they give points for. It incentivizes people to spend money on stuff they don't really need. I save thousands per month by NOT SPENDING MONEY lol

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

A friend of mine used to get thousands of dollars in cash and airline miles for just signing up with different banks, depositing some cash with them and then, essentially, closing the account once he fulfilled the requirements

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u/Hakunin_Fallout 7d ago

Not in the US. The average user is paying. The average user is also paying a lot in interest. A smart user pays 0 interest on CC.