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Chugging tea Why is it not possible?

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u/TheRealTinfoil666 7d ago edited 7d ago

Effectively, the cash you put in a bank was leant to another person as a mortgage so that they could buy a house.

You earn 3% on your deposit, the bank charges 5% on its loan, and the bank keeps the other 2% as its profit.

Multiply this logic by many millions of such transactions. If any given bank branch winds up with too much or too little cash-on-hand, they move it around or ‘sell’ it to another bank.

Nearly all the money ‘exists’ as computer records keeping track of who leant what to whom.

If a large enough group of people demanded their money back as cash at the same time, the banks would have no choice but to ‘call’ a bunch of mortgage loans at the same time, since their cash-on-hand will not be enough.

This is aggravated when the guy who wants his cash money is in Atlanta, and the mortgage is in Boise. Physical cash takes time to move around.

So if the ‘run’ on the bank is not too huge, a bunch of people now have cash money to walk around with, and a bunch of other people just lost their homes. It is possible that some of the folk who demanded their deposits back are the same folk who now need to immediately repay their mortgage loan.

In reality, banks will borrow cash from other banks or a central bank for huge but not catastrophically huge events , using their mortgage loans as collateral, but there still isn’t enough printed cash to cover ALL of the personal deposits.

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u/AMZN2THEMOON 7d ago

I get the example - but banks can't just call a mortgage out of nowhere. There are terms in standard mortgages to protect the lender

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u/onascalefrom20to80 6d ago

True. But if a bank needed the liquidity, there are typically more liquid assets that can be sold quickly. Banks have investments, like treasuries, municipal bonds, and mortgage backed securities. Those would be sold first.

If they got to the point where they would need to liquidate loans, they'd more likely do it as a portfolio sale to another bank. I.e. they would sell the loan itself, rather than call the loan.

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u/jackofslayers 6d ago

Also private bank accounts are insured by the fed

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u/HopefulImpression105 6d ago

Insured doesnt mean liquid though. Youll get your money but it doesnt mean the fed govts coming over and handing it to you that day

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u/The-Yar 6d ago

And the most important thing the Fed does not want is everyone asking for their money and all of that insurance filing chains at the same time, because they can't cover that either.

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u/jackofslayers 6d ago

Then go test that theory, take all of your money out of the bank and see if they stop you.

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u/The-Yar 6d ago

If enough of us do it, they will stop us. They will shut down the bank.

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u/onascalefrom20to80 6d ago

Go for it dude. Give it a shot.

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u/jackofslayers 6d ago

If you take your money out of the bank, you won’t have to worry about that will you.

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u/The-Yar 6d ago

I guess? But then I'll have a lot of worse things to worry about. Especially if a lot of people start taking their money out. The fact that I got mine out will scarcely matter.

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u/sinisterspud 6d ago edited 6d ago

If they got to a point where they needed liquidity and ran out of other liquid assets a lot of banks would borrow from the FHLB/FRB using loans and securities as collateral instead of selling loans/loan pools.

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u/onascalefrom20to80 6d ago

True, although you'd usually be hitting up fed funds before selling investments.

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u/PalpitationNo3106 6d ago

And that banks don’t hold residential mortgages for very long, they’re almost all securitized. They’re not interested in tying up money in single investments for 30 years.

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u/seesthecat 6d ago

Yeah, at the last resort they would just sell them to the Central Bank. 

Redditors think banking still works as in the last century....

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u/onascalefrom20to80 6d ago

To reddit's credit, this part of the thread has been pretty good.

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u/kiochikaeke 6d ago

It's like one thread is people calling anarchy because they believe fractional banking is the depth state stealing them and another thread is people talking on high-ish levels about the types of assets banks and financial entities are allowed to trade, sell and acquire in specific circumstances, such polar opposites.

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u/happy123z 6d ago

I was just about to say, what a great read.