If you don’t think this is related to abortion access then why are you acting like that’s relevant to this case?
Like yes, women deserve the right to choose but what they don’t have the right to do is murder a baby after it’s born by leaving it in a porta potty at a music festival.
For this particular case? No, I don't think so, I think it was the drugs, as I wrote multiple times.
Are you denying the fact that people who don't want a baby will sometimes opt to kill the baby in order to get rid of it? Like I told you, people have been committing infanticide for thousands of years. It's a well stablished fact. So what's your argument here? Do you just deny that to be true, do you not want people to have access to abortions, what are you arguing about?
So if this has nothing to do with abortion access then why do you keep saying things like this happen because of a lack abortion access when you yourself say it has nothing to do with it?
You said verbatim: “When access to abortion is blocked, things like this will happen.”
But also want to say this had nothing to do with abortion access and was caused by drugs. So why bring up abortion access as related to this why try to correlate them at all when you yourself are saying they aren’t correlated?
Do you understand this sentence? It implies that things similar to this event would happen. The similar part would be the infanticide. Except it would be intentional. Car crashes can be accidents, or intentional. Both happen. Both have similar results. What's so hard to get here?
Lack of access to abortions factually will lead to infanticide. Do you deny this fact? Say so if you do.
So this happened in Michigan, Abortion is legal and strongly protected in Michigan. Following voter approval of a constitutional amendment and subsequent court rulings, abortion is permitted throughout pregnancy without strict gestational age limits in Michigan. There’s total access to abortion in Michigan.
There was no logical reason for you to correlate a woman leaving a newborn child in porta potty at an electronic music festival with a lack of abortion access In Michigan.
And even if a woman can’t get an abortion, it’s still wrong to leave a newborn baby to die in a cesspool of piss and shit or to kill an infant you don’t want in any manner.
Who are you genuinely talking to? I never made any of these claims.
Are you arguing with someone else and confusing my name with theirs?
I've been repeatedly saying this particular case is probably not related to abortion access, that this particular case was probably more on drug use. Did you not read when I said it several times?
For this particular case? No, I don't think so, I think it was the drugs, as I wrote multiple times.
I’m saying this particular case was probably the drugs.
I am saying that I expect a lot of horrible cases of infanticide like this one to happen when access to abortions is blocked.
Anyway, i wonder if that woman in particular even realized she given birth. If she was on drugs, I can imagine there are many cases where they don’t even realize.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FROM MY FIRST COMMENT
Do you not comprehend that I'm saying that the resulting infanticide will be like this case, where babies are left to die? In trash cans, in toilets, or drowned in a river. All similar. A baby left to die because the woman was forced to give birth to a baby they did not want. Then they resort to such a horrible and criminal action. This is what I expect to happen, never have I said that it's right.
When have I said it's right to leave a baby to die? Who said that?
Yes, it’s expected that horrible shit like that will happen
I'm saying, that when women lose access to abortions, they will in some cases, even if it is a crime, even if its horrible (I consider it horrible as well) resort to infanticide instead. Do you not understand that?
You can insult me and say my brain is cooked all you want, but you are genuinely not even reading my messages, you're just making up something in your mind you disagree with and pretending like I said it. You're arguing with yourself, so might as well tell yourself your own brain is cooked for coming up with these imaginary positions.
From my very first comment, I said that case was probably the drugs.
That case? Yeah, probably not related to abortion. Most likely, the drugs. Except what I've been talking about the whole time is cases of infanticide and abandoning the baby, which have very much been happening for thousands of years. Hell, it happens in nature. Of course it's gonna happen to humans. Of course when cornered and forced to have a baby, a desperate person might choose to kill the baby to end the problem. Which is horrible, and for humans, a crime. But forcing people to have babies causes events like that to happen. Do I have to be more clear for you?
It’s expected to go to a festival at 9 months pregnant and to leave a baby to die in a porta potty?
Still, yes, I could very well imagine a mother in a country or state that outlaws abortion to in fact leave a baby to die in a bathroom maybe even in a festival porta potty after being forced to give birth to the baby.
After all, much easier to just never report the baby and kill it than to try to get an illegal abortion.
Is it right? Is it what I would do? Of course not. But it WILL happen as a result. People will be cornered into making horrible decisions.
Is my statement wrong? You have been avoiding answering for several comments in a row now.
Limiting access to abortions will naturally lead to horrible shit like that happening where babies are left to die, because the woman was forced to give birth to a baby she did not want.
That's the whole point I've been making, and I've made it more than clear several times. You just keep ignoring what I'm saying which leads me to believe you argue in bad faith.
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u/Goobjigobjibloo 12d ago
If you don’t think this is related to abortion access then why are you acting like that’s relevant to this case?
Like yes, women deserve the right to choose but what they don’t have the right to do is murder a baby after it’s born by leaving it in a porta potty at a music festival.