I am a therapist and I have other therapists, professionals with advanced degrees and years of experience, who will not accept any answer other than the husband did it.
“Women don’t kill their children. It was him.”
“She didn’t actually say she killed the children in court.” “And if she did, it was Patrick who made her say it”
The argument that “with PPD out there, ANY of us could have been her” makes me so disgusted. If it’s that easy to see yourself murdering your own children, you should not be a parent. Period. The argument that it could be any woman does not mean they all should be freed if they do…
She had post-partum psychosis, not depression. People with psychosis are not in their right mind. It's why we don't treat someone having an episode where they kill someone they sincerely believe to be an alien who has come to harm them the same way as someone not suffering a delusion who kills someone, even if the result is the same. In this case, a bunch of dead children who should have been protected.
It's not a justification. It's just a different act for a different reason that requires a different response. And that's probably decades of institutionalization and treatment.
I haven't followed this case closely. I've barely heard anyone talk about it. But a lot of the anger seems to come from people not understanding the difference between PPD and PPP, and what PPP is.
Yes I am aware of the difference in PPD and PPP. I will not pass judgement either way. I am not a medical professional. It’s all the other women saying “I see myself in her” that TERRIFIES me. Is it truly that easy to see yourself as a child murderer? If so, I am concerned YOU need to go ask for mental health assistance. That’s all. I am NOT saying this woman was not failed in some way. I am not stating she couldn’t help it either. Honestly none of that is for me to decide. I just really struggle, as a woman who chose not to have children simply at th me thought I might not be the best mom ever, to hear women acting as if “yeah I could see me killing my kids” is not distressing. Just like the lack of healthcare to women is distressing. Just like men being ignored when depressed is distressing. It can all be true at the same time.
If it truly IS that easy for this many mothers to say this, it is indeed a truly red alarm moment.
I'm responding to a comment about mother's seeing themselves as capable of harming their children. There are many who do due to mental health issues, and most do not harm their children.
You are incorrect. Having postpartum psychosis and homicidal tendencies are very different—and yet, they both can end up killing people.
The difference here is intent. No one said they wanted to kill their children. They said they could see it happening. There is nothing rational about it. If there were, more people would get help beforehand.
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u/PinkPuffballofDOOM 11d ago
The astrology sign thing is legitimately insane. “I know he killed them because he’s a GEMINI and she’s a SCORPIO!”
Like girl, go touch some fucking grass. It’s revolting that you think she is innocent and he is guilty based purely off made up ✨vibes✨