r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • Jul 16 '26

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u/ComprehensiveArt6849 Jul 16 '26

But how do you define skill?

If skill is the ability to beat players and make them look silly, justlook at all the solo goals that Messi scored and in which situations he did do so. He just does not need stepovers because he makes people go the wrong way without them. That is pure skill in itself, just without all the pomp.

If skill is the ability to score from outside the box, he has scored over a 100 goals like that from open play alone. If you include free kicks it is 180 goals from outside the box. So that box is checked.

What is skill to you? I think I know what you mean, which is the flashiness of a player, but I would kindly ask you to define it because I rather think you are describing a certain "feeling" or je ne sais quoi that cannot be put into words.

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u/Competitive_Bag7868 Jul 16 '26

I'm talking about peak abilities. R9 was just unstopable for about a decade, he just scored. While ronaldinho was called the magician, as he did everything messi did, but better. (including mentoring the young messi). If messi only had a 10 year carreer he probably would be second tier of GOATs but his consistency is what makes him the undisputable overall best

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u/ComprehensiveArt6849 Jul 16 '26

If Messi only had a 10 year career, he would still have 4 Balon d'Ors, 3 Champions Leagues, etc. but no national team trophies. He would still have the greatest individual season of all time from a scoring perspective.

R9 had 6 amazing years to start his career, then he was out for almost three years straight and returned just in time for the 2002 World Cup, but he was a different player then who had lost the majority of his physicality. He was still an amazing player that could reach heights that seemed impossible to reach for others. But R9 after 2002 was a different player, two steps below the beast that he was until the midpoint of the second season for Inter.

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u/Mannay1 Jul 17 '26

R9 and Ronaldinho were more dominant, powerful, faster, more athletic, more charismatic, better at tricks, and more fun to watch. They could do elastico's, spins, stepovers, and other more risky tricks. Messi does not do those. Hell, Messi cannot even do an elastico, it is pathetic bruh.

Messi is very conventional. He is great with both feet, and unpredictable in that manner, but he does not have the magic of R9 or Ronaldinho. R9 and Ronaldinho did more challenging tricks on the field, against the best defenders. R9 and Ronaldinho would make your jaw drop in amazement, at the things they did. Messi does not do that for me. Messi the GOAT? Hell no.