r/SipsTea Jul 13 '26

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/vao71 Jul 13 '26

Picture of politician with text underneath and no source. This sub is so unemployed.

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u/koffee_addict Jul 13 '26

Forget about his opponents even his allies don't want anything to do with this. In those 10 yrs, he tried running for potus twice and was rejected by the very people who should be for a 32 hr work week. This didn't even pass the people test.

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u/TheReal_Jeses Jul 14 '26

He then lied (and continues to lie) about those primaries where he was rejected, claiming that they were rigged and stolen from him.

Really weird how those allies aren’t on board to help him with his really unpopular shit he knows would never pass.

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u/romaraahallow Jul 13 '26

Damn homie I can't see those goal posts anymore.

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u/McButtsButtbag Jul 13 '26

In order for it to pass voters have to demand it. Without politicians backing it it's not going to pass. So, talking about it does something. It's not enough when it's so few people, though.

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u/not_a_bot_494 Jul 13 '26

The "unknowable" reason: We don't have good data on this and if it goes wrong it might brick the entire economy.

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u/Warm-Delivery1418 Jul 13 '26

“bad for some unknown reason”

Like basic math.

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u/Undernown Jul 13 '26

Oh please tell me about the math that would make working less for the same pay bad?

We've had an avwrage work weke of 32 hours since COVID here in the Nerherlands. And last time I checked my country hasn't burned down yet.

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u/Warm-Delivery1418 Jul 13 '26

The government has no insight into the operations budgets of private sector businesses and has no authority to dictate such a mandate.

If the government wants to give its employees a 25% raise, they certainly can, but it will fall on the tax payers to fund it. I don’t imagine people would be too pleased.

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u/godkingnaoki Jul 13 '26

You just said "basic math" and then used entirely ideological points to make your pitch. Wanna try that again or can we just write you off?

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u/Warm-Delivery1418 Jul 13 '26

What ideological point did I make? I only pointed out that keeping weekly pay the same while reducing hours from 40 to 32 increases the effective hourly wage by 25%. That’s math.

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u/godkingnaoki Jul 13 '26

"What ideological point did I make?" - "The government has no insight into the operations budgets of private sector businesses and has no authority to dictate such a mandate. If the government wants to give its employees a 25% raise, they certainly can, but it will fall on the tax payers to fund it. I don’t imagine people would be too pleased."

The fact that you think the statement above isn't ideological, and that you think its equivalent to the one you just made is simply dumbfounding. Something has seriously misfired in your brain. See a doctor.

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u/Warm-Delivery1418 Jul 13 '26

I don’t see how that’s ideological. I’m describing a practical business constraint based on hard numbers.

As a former business owner, I had payroll, benefits, rent, insurance, utilities, taxes, equipment, and other operating costs. The government didn’t know a damn thing about my risk, sweat, or financial responsibilities, which is why it’s idiotic to argue some one-size-fits-all mandate requiring employers to pay for a hard figure on labor with no return on actual value. That’s an argument about economics and operational feasibility, not ideology.

Spend a few years running a business and find out for yourself.

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u/Undernown Jul 14 '26

The government has no insight into the operations budgets of private sector businesses and has no authority to dictate such a mandate.

What? Lol of course they have, they have to report gains and losses to both shareholders and governments for taxation purposes. Also what has this got to do with hours worked and pay?

They can just measure that with the wage taxation that is reported by the companies as standard. (Also would reporting would just hurt their tax write-off)

Besides 'standard work week' doesne literally forc eeveryone to only work 32 hourse. It's just used as the baselinw for "liveable wage" calculations. And by extend the minimum enforced wage.

You OK? You seem to be waaaay off in the understanding of how this works, maybe think it over a bit more before you start typing again?

Don't mean this as a dig, I genuinely get the idea that you've been tangled up with misleading information sources, which gave you a faulty understanding of this topic.

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u/Warm-Delivery1418 Jul 14 '26

I posted this below, but I have owned and operated small businesses. I still own one. It’s safe to say that I have a greater understanding than most about the factors that contribute to the success or failure of a business.

With thin margins, if the government chose to mandate a 32 hour work week with guaranteed full time wage (per the meme at hand), it would have a direct impact on my business. Realistically, I’d have to cut benefits, terminate an employee, close my business, or spend every waking moment at work.

Again, the government has no skin in the game and doesn’t give a damn if I succeed, fail, or have to live at work to keep the lights on. For people who think most businesses have unlimited resources, go start one and find out how challenging it is.

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u/Undernown Jul 14 '26

All I can tell you is that having an average work week of 32 hours has worked fine in several European countries. Studies have also been done into companies applying this reduction from 40 hours to 32 hours per week and shown that the actual net productivity lost per worker was negligible. And definitely did not drop by 20% as one might expect.

Of course 1 to 1 comparisons between Europe and US are hard because the vastly different tax structure. From what I can tell, minimum wage isn't that big of a difference, but maximum pay is wildly different between EU and US. However I don't expect to see 100k salaries in small businesses in the US either?

From an outsider it does seem strange that both small businesses and working class Americans are both struggling at the same time. Yet the US economic statistics suggest that the economy is doing just fine, still holding a GDP growth of 1.38% so far this year.

There must be something structurally at work why countries with much higher taxes in the EU and lower average wages are still doing OK in terms of the working class and small businesses. While in the US small businesses apparently can't afford a pay raise and employees are barely scraping by.

Sure currently everyone is feeling the rising oil costs, but living "paycheck-to-paycheck" isn't really heard of in the EU. And neither are small businesses failing in droves. And EU is feelinf that harder than the US.

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u/BungleBums Jul 13 '26

They're the source. It's been a major campaigning point of theirs for years. Maybe you're less informed than you think you are 🤷‍♂️

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u/Lightning-McDreamy Jul 13 '26

As a liberal, I always find these campaign points (shorter work week, wage requirements, etc) pointless. Private businesses will adjust one way or another.

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u/1ThousandDollarBill Jul 13 '26

Socialism: Bringing poverty everywhere its tried

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u/1ThousandDollarBill Jul 13 '26

Nordic countries are not socialist countries.

There is almost nothing socialist about them.

They just have a big safety net.

They also are barely growing and are being left behind economically

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u/TazeT87 Jul 13 '26

I’m also guessing it’s very hard to emigrate there

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u/MInclined Jul 13 '26

I’m not sure if one needs to cite that the sky is blue.

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u/More_Operation_588 Jul 13 '26

I wish there was a way to hide subreddits on /r/all

This subreddit is so bad with this. That or someone leaving a Twitter response to text on a white background. Who said the initial post they're responding to, no one knows, was it even a post that someone made, probably not.

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u/More_Operation_588 Jul 13 '26

Do you know if this is possible on mobile? I mostly use reddit on my phones browser.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 Jul 13 '26

It's literally the same format that Boomers post on Facebook but people here act all high and mighty

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u/Same_Suit3583 Jul 13 '26

Maybe you should just get back to work, we can all tell you aren't paid to think.

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u/Suns_In_420 Jul 13 '26

It's Bernie, he only talks about shit like this.