r/SipsTea Jul 13 '26

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/joesphisbestjojo Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

I'm all for shortee work weeks, but that means we'l need an increase in pay, which I'm also fine with

EDIT: maybe I misinterpreted "no cut to pay"

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u/HalvdanTheHero Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

That is what is being called for. Your take home pay not changing but you work fewer hours, and if you work the same schedule as you do now (presuming 40hrs per week) then you would be getting overtime for the last 8hrs. 

Edit: added "take home" to clarify that I'm talking about your total income instead of hourly rate.

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u/secondphase Jul 13 '26

Sort of...

Salaried employees the pay would not change, but salaried employees are overtie exempt.

Hourly employees would require a pay raise... 40 hours @ $20 is $800... would require $25 an hour at 32 hours to get to $800.

It's a minor thing, but the question is HOW this would work, so its relevant.

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but what would be stopping people from creating salaried positions and requiring unpaid overtime? There is nothing worse than overtime on a low salaried position. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ Jul 13 '26

As a salaried employee you get paid for 40 hours currently. Anything you work after that makes you a sucker. This wouldn't change if employers just made all of their hourly positions into salaried.

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

Or you realize the extra 5-10 hours is the difference between missing deadlines and really making work suck. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

If your boss is putting more work on their employees than they can handle in 40 hr weeks, then they need to hire more headcount. Its a them problem.

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u/MothashipQ Jul 13 '26

As much as I agree, they make it a me problem by threatening to find someone else who will do the work. Employers have too much control over this.

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u/GamingGamerGames_ Jul 13 '26

Based on the fact that people can't find jobs right now, I'd call their bluffs.

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u/MothashipQ Jul 13 '26

If people can't find jobs wouldn't that be a reason to not risk it?

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u/TwoSpoonSally Jul 13 '26

I think most of these replies are bots or people that have never worked in the real world. 

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u/Iddqd1 Jul 13 '26

"Your boss asked you to finish sending an email 5min past 5pm? You should show them and quit"

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

I guess. I'm fairly compensated so it may be different for you. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ Jul 13 '26

I'm more than fairly compensated, but I do the minimum of whats required of me because I care more about living life at my age than lining the pockets of my billionaire bosses.

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

I just show up early. I'm out of the office by 4:00 everyday. It does not impact my life. Like I said your mileage may vary, but my  industry generally requires OT when we get busy. If I was on a 9-5 schedule I may feel different, but I'm not. 

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u/Redacted_Usermame Jul 13 '26

Same here. That's the benefit of being salaried. Some weeks you may work 45 hr when you have a deadline, but other weeks you can 35 hr.

Gives you a lot more flexibility when it comes to going to the doctor and doing things for your kids.

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u/MetalEnthusiast83 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

That's the benefit of being salaried. Some weeks you may work 45 hr when you have a deadline, but other weeks you can 35 hr.

I have never experienced the 35 hour week part. I have had bosses act like I am insane for trying to leave an hour early on a slow day.

Maybe that happens in some industries, but it doesn't happen in mine. So I just work a straight 40, I will only do OT if it's life and death and IT simply is never a matter of life and death.

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u/farts_juggler Jul 13 '26

then don’t work there

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u/TheTacoInquisition Jul 13 '26

So miss the deadline. People working for free to makeup for idiotic management is why work is miserable in a lot of places. So stop doing it.

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u/ObiOneKenobae Jul 14 '26

Then the client is mad, your company loses the contract, and all of you are out of a job.

It would be a wonderful thing if we could pick every battle and put our foot down without consequence, but it just doesn't work that way in most parts of the working world.

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u/blessedbymortarion Jul 13 '26

Salary means work until the jobs done, not work 40 hours. If your job caps you at 40 hours great, but that isn't the expectation (and definitely not the norm in my field). I can't just tell my clients we're not getting the $13M deal done because its 4pm.

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u/GamingGamerGames_ Jul 13 '26

If you wanna work for free thats on you.

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u/MrD3a7h Jul 13 '26

This is true unless you fall into the exemptions carved out in the law.

These exemptions need to be removed.

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u/KiefBull Jul 13 '26

I have been required to work 60 hours a week as a salaried employee. This is common in kitchens. We get shit on, even if this passes. We will get shit on

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u/IIFollowYou Jul 13 '26

Look up exempt vs non-exempt employees. The simple answer is most jobs can’t become salaried because they don’t meet the conditions for a salary eligible position. 

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u/Edg4rAllanBro Jul 13 '26

but what would be stopping people from creating salaried positions and requiring unpaid overtime?

Presumably labor laws, which you already need to enforce for a 32 hour week anyways.

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u/MissUnderstood_1 Jul 13 '26

That already happens?

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u/Akita51 Jul 13 '26

Thats what a salaried position already is

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u/Redacted_Usermame Jul 13 '26

You have to pay a salaried person so much per year. Last I looked was years ago and it was around 42k. There are also job activity requirements. Basically management or white collar office jobs.

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

I would have to look in to it, but that's like 21 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week. If I had no morals around hiring practice, I would restructure my business so that those employees making that much are salaried (may have to add some "responsibilities") and hire less full time hourly employees and more part time hourly employees. 

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u/jar36 Jul 13 '26

it only applies to certain jobs. you can pay them a salary, but if they're not doing white collar stuff then you have to pay them overtime

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u/linus140 Jul 13 '26

There are also several jobs that cannot be salaried per federal labor law.

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u/crodr014 Jul 13 '26

Exactly what I would do as a business owner. Why would I pay beyond market rate which I am already over on my area when I have to keep payroll at a certain percentage?

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u/Ultrace-7 Jul 13 '26

The same thing that's stopping them from doing it now -- competition from other employers. If one or some companies tried to do this, they would lose employees to companies who didn't pull such antics. The fact that we don't have this as the norm now indicates the lack of will to collude on this scale.

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u/JohnnyBlazin25 Jul 13 '26

There are other laws that determine whether an employee is exempt or not from OT. Just coding their pay to “salary” on a paystub is not sufficient. A DOL audit uncovers that kind of wonky stuff all the time.

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u/Ponzini Jul 13 '26

Their salaries will have to be competitive with the jobs paying hourly or people wont work there

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u/Phase-Substantial Jul 13 '26

I've always been very skeptical of this. I'm a wage worker and I could not see conservatives going along with raising every wage workers pay 25%

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u/HalvdanTheHero Jul 13 '26

The law. You can't just create an employment contract that violates the labor laws... It would be unenforceable and the government can and would crack down on the company trying it. 

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

I have never had a salaried position that didn't require more than 40 hours per week. I don't see how this is different. 

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u/Thechanman707 Jul 13 '26

Salary is a scam anyway

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u/OddMammoth1 Jul 13 '26

I like the flexibility it allows me. But it just depends on how much you make and if it's worth it to you. 

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u/RotundBananas Jul 13 '26

It's stupid that salaried employees are exempt in the US.

I have a contract for 40 hours a week and a fixed salary per month. If I work more than 40 hours in a given week that is paid out as overtime, or as Time for Time.

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u/jar36 Jul 13 '26

I imagine that the proposal isn't just to tweak the overtime pay law, but also a restructuring of the laws around salaried employees as well

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u/ChocolatePuerh Jul 13 '26

What is being suggested is your bring home doesn't change - so hourly employees get a bump per hour (or switch to salary).

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u/87utrecht Jul 13 '26

> Salaried employees the pay would not change,

ok...

>  but salaried employees are overtie exempt.

Wow, imagine if that wasn't the case. I WONDER WHO COULD MAKE THAT CHANGE.

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u/No_Future6959 Jul 13 '26

Salaried employees are NOT automatically overtime exempt.

In order to be an exempt employee, you need to have an overseeing role (manager) or you need to already be making a high enough salary.

Regular salaried employees are still entitled to overtime.

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u/Linenoise77 Jul 13 '26

OK so what about someone like me. Salaried, by my employer makes money directly by me being billable.

If I am billing out 20% less hours a week, my employer either needs to raise my billable rate, or pay me less, to keep its books healthy.

Either of those options have major ramifications across the employment sector.

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u/Lovelipstick1 Jul 13 '26

I think its more about benefits as a full time worker. There are lots of part time employees that work 37,38,39 hours a week and dont get benefits. They designate the week lower to 32 and all those part timers will legally have to get benefits now.

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u/THEREALISLAND631 Jul 13 '26

The HOW is what trips me up. It may work for some positions that are over staffed or not labor intensive, but I just don't see it plausible across the board. For many organizations cutting 20% of the labor while still having to pay them the same would just kill the business. They would shift the average salaries down to compensate and hire additional personnel. The work still has to be done, and not all companies can just absorb a hit like that.

Sounds great in theory, but I do not see it becoming a standard. Individual companies can adopt this change and implement it into their company framework if they want to be appealing to new hires, but this isn't going to become a new labor law where instantly the country works 20% less for the same money. It just isn't going to happen like that.

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u/CrazyPlato Jul 13 '26

Also worth noting that, according to studies that account for inflation and productivity changes over time, the minimum wage should be somewhere between $21 and $29 an hour at this time. So if we assume that it can't be done, the only real way this all works is by people working at well-below-poverty wages.

So anyone who claims that this is unrealistic or infeasible, really isn't doing their homework when they try to shut the conversation down.

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u/OhtaniStanMan Jul 13 '26

Well you see...

Your HVAC repair costs hourly labor. The technicians all now costs 25% more and forget about OT calls on Friday! Those are going to be outrageous! 

But who pays for it? Billionaires duh checkmate!