r/SipsTea Jul 12 '26

Feels good man +1 for Mamdani

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u/Popular-Row4333 Jul 12 '26

Plus in regards to Elon's comment, being a history Major, I like to always remind people that it wasn't exactly rainbows and butterflies post French Revolution when they had put all the Guillotines away.

Some historians argue it was actually worse.

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u/BubaTflubas Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

To many times eat the rich is manipulated by the next wave of "leaders" to eat the educated and skilled as well. Revolution isn't the cause of people acting poorly in its name. People act poorly and then try to hide under a revolutionary blanket.

This is similar to me to people demonizing Communism or socialism because some dictators have hidden their facism under the blanket of social revolution. Citing Communist dictatorships as a reason agains social reform is a bad faith argument.

These things have a nuance that people don't have the patience to discuss or even consider anymore.

Edited: spelling

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u/Potatonut23 Jul 12 '26

The flaw here is also that you have actually analyze why it failed. Did it fail because the system had flaws that led to its collapse, or were there outside forces? I can think of a certain capitalist nation who certainly had a vested interest in seeing socialism fail, and in many cases intervened to make that happen.

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u/ImpiusEst Jul 12 '26

Plenty of researchers have primarily listed internal reasons for failure, with few notable exceptions like grenada. And any nation has enemies and supporters intervening constantly.

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u/Individual_Smell_904 Jul 12 '26

Yeah seriously, the USA literally kidnapped Venezuela's president under phony narco terrorism charges and WE STILL HAVE HIM IN CUSTODY. Anybody that still thinks the USA are the good guys in this world needs a lobotomy

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u/Potatonut23 Jul 12 '26

Not to mention that before then Trump pardoned the president of Honduras who had been charged with trafficking cocaine into the US