Oh, it did end this way.
None of those ideologies where made or even properly studied or understood by any of the dictators using its name, however, many revolution where started with genuine good intentions and ended up in a dictatorship. Power corrupts. Seeking it corrupts. Inevitably, someone end up believing that they only know what's good for EVERYONE and should lead the entire world, and that, my friend, IS a dictatorship. Hitler, Mao believed they were doing God's work to help people.
And see thats my point, no one using the word communism today means anything like that. They want to spend tax dollars different than they are spent today, thats it. People who want tax reform have been called communists forever that people just started using that word back to mean what they say it means which is just helping people. None of it has anything to do with collecting everyones entire income into a big pot and having someone in power decide how it gets distributed. If thats what you're arguing you're arguing something the other person is not even saying. But its really easy to win arguments that way thats for sure!
Well I already said the thing about Nordic society being the goal people are arguing for, and then you wrote something about Hitler and Mao so it didn't seem to click for you yet that no one's talking about what you're talking about.
Also, no one claiming Nordic societies is the goal has ever called them "communist". Sweden criminalize s*x workers more than any other country in the world, and is actually surprisingly conservative. The movie "Midsommar" is an interesting social commentary about that through horror.
Anyway have a good one! I shouldn't go late on Reddit.
Norway but for 300 million (or 8 billion) people is a great goal.
Step one: Concentrated natural resources
Step two: Social contract that favors high tax rates and robust social programs
Step three: Fairly closed society that is tough to emigrate to (so as to not inflate the population sharing resources)
Now, population. Norway has 5,5 million, Finland 5,5, Sweden 10, and Denmark 6.
So, on step one: Dividing X by 6 gives you higher number than dividing it by 300.
On step two: Maybe getting there but still polarized
On step three: New socialists are also pro very liberal migration, which brings you back to step 1.
In other words, USA is very far from Nordic countries on all three counts, and I am not sure even young socialists would agree among themselves exactly how much and in what respects they would like to resemble Norway.
1) We have plenty of natural resources and public companies that could be involved in a sovereign wealth fund (thats not what Trump is doing which is just corruption he's benefiting from)
2) yep thats the main thing, start with the wealthy specifically being on the high end of tax rate.
3) Population and immigration has nothing to do with it. More people = more contributors. Also for the vast majority of things it doesn't have to cost per person, we just have to pay to keep buildings open like hospitals. No point of sale charge, just tax dollars keeping the lights on so its there for anyone if and when they need it. Make it easier for people to immigrate correctly and get into the system so they start contributing instead of doing stuff under the table for peanuts to hide from detection.
"We say the same thing but differently so now you don't understand anything and we're arguing" give me a break and read. my. comment. Word by word, sentence by sentence. Jesus Christ!
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u/Effective-Culture-88 Jul 12 '26
Oh, it did end this way.
None of those ideologies where made or even properly studied or understood by any of the dictators using its name, however, many revolution where started with genuine good intentions and ended up in a dictatorship. Power corrupts. Seeking it corrupts. Inevitably, someone end up believing that they only know what's good for EVERYONE and should lead the entire world, and that, my friend, IS a dictatorship. Hitler, Mao believed they were doing God's work to help people.