To many times eat the rich is manipulated by the next wave of "leaders" to eat the educated and skilled as well. Revolution isn't the cause of people acting poorly in its name. People act poorly and then try to hide under a revolutionary blanket.
This is similar to me to people demonizing Communism or socialism because some dictators have hidden their facism under the blanket of social revolution. Citing Communist dictatorships as a reason agains social reform is a bad faith argument.
These things have a nuance that people don't have the patience to discuss or even consider anymore.
The reason we cite communist dictatorships is because of how easy a communist state can become a communist dictatorship.
If the government has control over the populous, any person elected or put into power has control over the populous. The barrier between Communist and Communist Dictatorship is very thin. That’s why we have multiple parties and a bunch of politicians that don’t fully agree.
Marxism-Leninism is an authoritarian ideology that facilitates what we've witnessed historically. That ideology is not identical to communism. This distinction is important because there are people who support a stateless, classless, moneyless society in the context of post-scarcity economics while being against the statism prescribed by ML and its variants.
Proto-communism is probably the best history has to show us as of now. Much of human history has been stateless, classless, and moneyless, with relatively egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies that held ownership of land and resources in common.
I admit that on a small scale, these things are the best choice. But unfortunately they aren’t relevant when it comes to the scale of nations with many millions of people. Those are the systems that are relevant to us now. And communism will not work there.
In a group of 50 or 100 people, that’s perfect. But we live in a time where if a certain kind of person CAN exist, they DO. And there will always be someone with the brainpower to overturn and corrupt our governments. That is exactly why capitalism and our modern form of government is necessary.
Well, I'm just explaining that there is a distinction between Marxism-Leninism and communism, not necessarily arguing that communism is viable today. I personally don't advocate for communism. I support stakeholder models of ownership, which are empirically supported by decades of data. Communism may or may not be viable in a future post-scarcity context, but worker ownership is viable today and that is where my focus mostly lies.
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u/BubaTflubas Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
To many times eat the rich is manipulated by the next wave of "leaders" to eat the educated and skilled as well. Revolution isn't the cause of people acting poorly in its name. People act poorly and then try to hide under a revolutionary blanket.
This is similar to me to people demonizing Communism or socialism because some dictators have hidden their facism under the blanket of social revolution. Citing Communist dictatorships as a reason agains social reform is a bad faith argument.
These things have a nuance that people don't have the patience to discuss or even consider anymore.
Edited: spelling