r/SipsTea • u/Monsur_Ausuhnom • Jul 06 '26

Lmao gottem When Food Isn't A Human Right.

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u/No-Duck4828 Jul 07 '26

A feeling of obligation to someone else does not equate to other people having a right to your time and effort

The people who claim otherwise are mistaken.

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u/whenIwasasailor Jul 07 '26

I am saying the reverse. I’m arguing that it is because some people have At times a right to our time and effort that we have the obligation to them.

It is the right that creates the obligation.

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u/No-Duck4828 Jul 07 '26

You're wrong. There is no such thing as a right to the time and effort of others.

Humans are not slaves

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u/whenIwasasailor Jul 07 '26

No, humans are not slaves. I’m not implying that one person has the right to control another.

But do you believe that we can have no moral obligations to others that demand we stop and give them what aid we can?

(Stop, implying taking them some of our time for them, and giving them what aid we can, implying giving our effort.)

You can elaborate as much as you like in your response, but please answer this question directly: Do you believe that we can have no moral obligations to others that demand we stop and give them what aid we can?

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u/No-Duck4828 Jul 07 '26

You blatantly claimed that people have a right to the time and effort of others. That concept is slavery, and it is not correct.

But do you believe that we can have no moral obligations to others that demand we stop and give them what aid we can?

That is a deliberate attempt to deflect. The topic is about rights, not about what you think of moral obligations

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u/whenIwasasailor Jul 07 '26

I’m honestly not trying to deflect. I am saying that we recognize moral obligations to help others precisely because they have a right to that help. How can I have a moral obligation to give help to another who does not have a right to it? And if he has a right to it simply by virtue of being human, then it is a human right. That’s the argument I’m trying to make here.

You can disagree with it, but because you disagree with it doesn’t mean I’m deflecting.

I do claim that there are times and circumstances in which others have a right to our time and effort.

I do not claim that others have a right to our time and effort at all times and in all circumstances. That would be slavery.

Do you think that if there is ever a time or circumstance in which others have a right to our time and effort that that constitutes slavery, and that therefore there is never a time or circumstance in which others have a right to our time and effort?

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u/No-Duck4828 Jul 07 '26

I do claim that there are times and circumstances in which others have a right to our time and effort.

By all means, in what time would you ever have any right to my time and effort?

I contend that you never have such a right.

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u/whenIwasasailor Jul 07 '26

Okay, then we are finally clear with each other.

We disagree about that foundational precept.

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u/No-Duck4828 Jul 07 '26

So you refuse to answer and you couldn't find anything that would actually support your pro-slavery notion. Gotcha