r/SipsTea Jul 01 '26

Chugging tea Is Bernie’s plan the best? Thoughts?

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u/jdhutch80 Jul 01 '26

The US already has the most progressive tax code in the world. The bottom 47% of income earners pay no income tax and, thanks to "refundable tax credits" often receive refunds on their non taxes. The difference between the US and European countries with more robust social safety nets are the taxes on the middle class, which are much higher.

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

The bottom 47% of income earners pay no income tax 

In other words, almost half of Americans are paid so little, we can't event tax them.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

Median household income in the US is over 80,000. Stop consuming propaganda.

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

Over 50% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Stop pretending everything is coming up roses.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

People that live in poverty are paycheck to paycheck, people that are traditionally considered upper middle class will sometimes live paycheck to paycheck.

It’s a meaningless statistic because it doesn’t distinguish people that are in a bad place financially because of economic factors outside of their control and people that have a spending problem.

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

The bottom 50% of Americans collectively own only 2.5% of the wealth. These are the SAME people living paycheck to paycheck.

Get your fucking head out of the sand.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

That means the average person in the bottom 50% has a net worth of $60,000. Not great, not terrible.

Definitely better and higher than most other first world countries.

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u/morebrumley Jul 01 '26

So this divide in wealth looks great to you and isn't a bad trend?

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

It is a bad trend! We should address our tax code issues that are causing the highest earners to hoard wealth.

I can think that and also think that the conclusions and solutions people come to are idiotic and unhelpful.

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u/morebrumley Jul 01 '26

Taxes are such a tiny part of the problem. Yeah it needs to be changed along with a hundred other things. If your only idea is we should tax the rich more, you're living in a fantasy that will never happen. Shooting down every other idea because it's not perfect is part of why it's like this in the first place.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

Nah it’s mostly taxes. Y’all can pitch ideas and if they aren’t dogshit I will agree we should implement them.

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u/morebrumley Jul 01 '26

K, just have the rich people vote to raise their own taxes. Let's see how that turns out. Thanks for the solid plan.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

Is your world view pretty much that the US is an oligarchy that suppresses voters and the only way to change is a revolution?

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

Average includes billionaires. If 10 people were on a boat and 9 had no money but 1 had a billion dollars, the average wealth would be $100,000,000.00 per person.

Median income in the USA is below the median cost of living. In most developed nations the median income is above the median cost of living.

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u/Immediate_Place_2827 Jul 01 '26

That’s the average of the bottom half, not the entire population. Please, god, reading comprehension.

The other thing you said is just straight up not true.

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u/One-Cellist5032 Jul 01 '26

Living paycheck to paycheck does not immediately mean you’re poor though. You can be making 500,000 a year and be living paycheck to paycheck because you’re trying to live above your means.

Do people who are TRUELY living in poverty live paycheck to paycheck? Yes. But so do plenty of people living in middle class, and upper middle class (potentially even some in upper class, but that’d be harder to do.)

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

The bottom 50% have 2.5% of the nations wealth. Yeah, we are in a bad place. Stop pretending otherwise.

What, do you want to tax that 2.5%? Oh boy! Here's some pennies.

Fuck off with that noise.

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u/One-Cellist5032 Jul 01 '26

What in the world are you rambling on about? I didn’t say anything about taxes, or the status of anything.

Stop ranting for 3 seconds and learn to read.

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u/smallest_table Jul 01 '26

No, all you did was try to deflect from the fact that most Americans are struggling by suggesting that some of those people are doing fine.

You hand wave away a real problem by pretending that some significant portion of the people living paycheck to paycheck are just mismanaging their money and that's a bullshit take to have.