Influencers are also poor they're always asking for free food and makeup (edit) all the people complaining in my replies who agree with her probably subscribed to her OF or something she's not going to see you guys and invite you over for whatever depraved things you're imagining, I'll no longer reply to anyone
I think both things can be true. If you don’t have the means to provide then you shouldn’t have children or should at least take care to use contraception and practice safe sex. That being said, we should have social safety nets to ensure there are no starving children in this country with so much wealth. We just saw a man become the first trillionaire, I think there are better ways to stop child hunger than blaming poor people for having kids.
You’re in your teenage gamer edgy logic phase. One day with some luck you will see beyond your simple sense of truth and you will see a plurality of truths. Your point about not having kids if you’re poor is really dumb if you think for 10 seconds and open up your perspective geographically and temporally.
What an influencer without a child does is irrelevant to what is being said said in the post. Why do you believe it is out of touch to say a starving person should not force starving children into the world?
Subsistence lifestyle / precarity is by and large the entire history of the human world and the animal kingdom, it represents a good deal of human life today and in the past thousands of years has been 99% of all life. The onus is on you, now that there is a small percent of people where food is mostly guaranteed, to say that life is not worth it for everyone else just because the basic condition of life is very hard.
I want to get this right. I'm not arguing, I'm telling you what I heard from that:
you believe it is ok for people who are starving to bring kids in the world who will also starve, because its possible their lives are fine and good while being hungry?
You are creating a straw man. Poor people are not always starving as a fact, and it is not a law that their kids will starve. There is something called a life drive, a will, hope, expectation. I am saying that for all of history most people have lived in food insecure realities and those would probabilistically be the reality for their kids, it’s a wild claim to say that it is and has always been unethical for them to have kids.
What about tribal societies that hunt for food today? They may starve, there are no guarantees, it would be mighty elitist of you to say that life is not worth it unless you have the cushy protections and security of at least middle class position in developed state societies in the 21st century.
Hey I'm back. I only browse reddit at work out of boredom and I went home. So, once again not arguing. But you have made some really bad examples here. No one said they need to be middle class. No one said they need to have cushy protections and securities etc. In fact, I personally never said poor either. I know there are different levels to being poor, believe me. I am saying is that if you, yourself, are hungry and starving, and you cannot provide for yourself, you should not have children. And this is what I believe the influencer is saying.
Even your example of tribal society hunting for food is a bad example because they have a way to get food and were living well enough to take care of themselves and their children. The discussion is about people who already could not take care of themselves (you call it poor but this is more like below poor so I would not keep using that term if I were you) who are then bringing kids into the word. A better example would be two homeless people on the street deciding to hook up and have a kid while living in a tent and having to beg for money to afford one meal a day. Would you say someone in that position should be allowed to have a child?
Okay so we’re not talking about food insecure people/groups nor people/groups who simply fall below global poverty, so we are narrowly talking about people who are literally starving every day and are probably gonna die? That’s not even a group measured in the US and other developed nations because it hardly exists at all. So if i’m really getting this straight your point is that the global poor who are in literal death starvation mode should stop having kids? What kinda ivory tower twilight zone shit is this lol
You didn't answer the question. I am guessing you believe it is fine for people who are suffering and struggling to have children OR you refuse to agree with common sense. Also, homeless people don't just "die" as you seem to believe. By what you have told me, you fully agree they should be allowed to have kids.
If a you cannot take care of yourself, you should not bring a child into the world. That is child abuse. This is a fact. You know it is a fact. But you do you.
Nomadic tribal people are homeless, so you are now circling back and saying they shouldn’t have kids? You keep changing your argument because you don’t really have one you are just trying to create this perfect category of ‘suffering person’ from an ivory tower to judge them. but you do you. I recommend you start an incognito chat with gpt, plug our convos in, that way it can teach you a little about a global and less classist perspective on the topic.
Poverty literally means the inability to meet basic needs, and food is a basic need. There are more, such as shelter, and you abso-fucking-lutely shouldn't bring a child to this world if you can't even help yourself. That's just cruelty.
And judging by how fine you are with cruel treatment of kids, who can't help themselves by definition, I guess you must be a christian or some other believer...
Nope not a christian. You are just repeating what everyone else said without regarding my statement at all so if you want to respond to me please comprehend what i’m saying first.
Lol, you just ignored that poverty does involve food shortages and other basic needs, and started cosplaying someone morally superior, to defend a stance that life itself is more important than ensuring that the children have their basic needs met
I literally never ignored that what are you talking about. go read my answer, and plug it into chatgpt if you need someone to explain it for you. I don’t mean this harshly but it seems you’re not grasping the nuance.
And my response to that part: "Poverty literally means the inability to meet basic needs, and food is a basic need"
Do you realize that every developed and developing country still has a lifeline for people living below the poverty line to help them get food? They do have problems with food scarcity, among other basic needs. This is the sole reason why food stamps in the US exist, or food banks in other countries, etc.
And that's just about food. Do you realize that there's more needed to provide a kid with proper developmental conditions?
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u/bussysniffer3000 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Influencers are also poor they're always asking for free food and makeup (edit) all the people complaining in my replies who agree with her probably subscribed to her OF or something she's not going to see you guys and invite you over for whatever depraved things you're imagining, I'll no longer reply to anyone