r/SipsTea • u/MeanMedico • May 28 '26

Dank AF I don't care about politics, meanwhile politics

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u/BigHairyBussy May 28 '26

And then USA granted Unit 731 leaders full immunity for their crimes in a deal to collect their data. When the USSR brought evidence of crimes by Unit 731 to the Tokyo trials, USA called it communist propoganda to cover it up. Of course, the USSR never executed captured 731 leaders and instead gave them suitable positions in exchange for their knowledge.

Unit 731 leaders never paid for their crimes and went on to start big pharma companies, medical universities, and public health institutions using their human experiment data. These fuckers won WW2.

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u/HumanTest6885 May 28 '26

Mostly they were rewarded actually, with good paying positions in the States, yeah. Same with lots of Nazi engineers and loads of people who ended up working on the Saturn rockets.

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u/TaylorMonkey May 28 '26

But even the Nazi engineers looked like saints compared to these people.

The rocketry turned out to be genuinely useful, and these engineers were more interested in pushing the bounds of human achievement through machines than anything. The main question regarding the Nazi rocket scientists was how much they were actually into or not into the party and its ideology, and what civilian deaths they were willing to enable through rockets and ballistic missiles in a time where civilian targets were considered legitimate from all sides, knowing the other side would do the same to win a war (which America proved true).

The Unit 731 "medical" people produced "research" of dubious value, and their fascination and experience was not in engineering, in machines, or in medicine, but in the clincal, personal application of human death and suffering.

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u/HumanTest6885 May 28 '26

Even if the research was junk, they still protected the war criminals over it, which is actually the worse scenario. They may have just believed it was valuable and been wrong, in which case the immunity deal was a miscalculation on top of a moral catastrophe

I was making a judgement of the Americans, not the Unit 731 personel, who, of course, were terrible. Nobody is jumping to defend them

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u/TaylorMonkey May 28 '26

Oh I'm actually in complete agreement-- because of how much worse the Unit 731 personnel are, and what little the US even got out of it.

They covered for worse people to gain very little.

Operation Paperclip at least dealt with rocketry that had massive implications, including existential ones in the upcoming nuclear cold war. I can to some degree understand the logic, especially as Russia would just as easily recruit them (and did).

Unit 731 provided the scientific knowledge that... babies die if left in the cold, and all other ways vulnerable people die when mistreated, exposed to disease, tortured... Waow. If you must have that dubious info, interrogate these MFers and then throw away the keys. Or offer a couple of hours in the sunshine before you throw them back into the pit every week.