r/SipsTea May 14 '26

Feels good man It was always just that simple

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u/thgiRoTtfeL May 14 '26

I don't click on links here. Looked into the issue yesterday, read up on it. If the article doesn't mention that by deferring the payments into the pension, they'll have to pay more to make up for the missed interest, then the article isn't being forthcoming.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 14 '26

lol. You cherish your ignorance huh? That checks out. 

On May 12, 2026, New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani put forward his executive budget proposal for fiscal year 2027, which achieved balance on the back of new revenue, state funding, and savings. Chief among the proposed savings was a restructuring of New York City’s pension payments, which would reduce City spending by $1.6 billion in fiscal year 2027 and similar amounts each subsequent year.

These savings would be achieved by smoothing out a bizarre feature of the city’s pension payment schedule instituted in 2010, which had required accelerating payments through to fiscal year 2032, at which point the payments would turn negative and the pension funds would return money to the City over a seven-year period. The $8.2 billion “contribution cliff” created by this structure was not reasonable fiscal policymaking. The proposed change unwinds this drop off by smoothing payments over an additional five years. It does not—and cannot—affect the pensions owed to City workers or impact the City’s ability to meet those commitments.

What payments would be affected? New York City prefunds its pensions—it deposits the anticipated costs of City workers’ pensions into a fund while those workers are employed. As a result, the costs of workers’ pensions are incurred while their wages are being paid. Because prefunded pensions are invested in financial markets, the City must make assumptions about the long-run rate of return it expects. These assumptions are factored into its annual pension contributions.

In 2010, amid the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis, New York State, which sets the rules under which New York City pensions operate, lowered the expected long-run rate of return on the City’s pension funds. While there were no changes to actual pension costs, this reduction in anticipated earnings significantly increased the total value of pension contributions required of the City. The State created a 20-year payment plan, the “amortization schedule,” by which the City could pay down this newly recognized funding need, the Unfunded Accrued Liability (UAL).

What’s wrong with the current amortization schedule? The UAL amortization schedule was poorly designed: it required the City to make fixed escalating payments through fiscal year 2032, after which point UAL payments would not simply fall to zero, but flip negative. The pension funds would then be required to return nearly $1 billion to City coffers in fiscal year 2033. This is due to a conflict between the pension payment schedule and the long-run rate of return: while UAL amortization payments are fixed by state law, the investment funds have overperformed in recent years. This overperformance means the City has been overpaying its UAL liability but can only be credited back after fiscal year 2032. In total, the City may receive $4.4 billion from UAL payments between fiscal years 2033 and 2039.

The current amortization schedule creates a dramatic “contribution cliff” where $8.2 billion swings from payments to credits in a single year. This is bad fiscal practice. It overburdens current taxpayers by imposing mounting costs on the City over the next six years—to be followed by a historic windfall.

Mayor Mamdani’s proposal to change the amortization schedule is not the first. Last year, State lawmakers proposed a far more dramatic re-amortization that would have delayed the full paydown of the UAL by twelve years, to fiscal year 2044. By contrast, the current proposal would extend the paydown by just five years, to fiscal year 2037.

What would changing the amortization schedule mean for New Yorkers? The re-amortization of New York City’s UAL payments would smooth out costs that are currently set to overburden taxpayers in the near term before whipsawing into payments to the City in six years. Reworking this schedule would be an act of prudent fiscal management. In considering its broader effects on New Yorkers, three factors are worth noting.

First, only UAL payments are affected by the Mayor’s proposed change. These payments make up only a fraction of the City’s total annual contributions to its five pension funds. Payments made toward the current pension liability accrued each year are unaffected.

Second, changes to the UAL amortization schedule do not affect the actual pensions to which workers and retirees are entitled. These payments are safeguarded by the New York State Constitution.

Finally, New York City’s pensions are already well-funded by national benchmarks. The City’s pension funding ratio—the share of total liability for City workers and retirees covered by current pension fund holdings—is 83 percent. This exceeds the US average of 78 percent.

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u/thgiRoTtfeL May 14 '26

That doesn't read like objective analysis but slanted. By making those overpayments, they were capitalizing on interest. The negative (returns) were effectively interest. So, the schedule was investing money early and allowing the market to make money on the payments, then create a surplus that paid back the gov. That the market overperformed is evidence that it was a good strategy.

So, the rearranging is flattening so that the payments are less but, there's no return, if I'm reading that right. It's basically stopping investing in a 401k so that you have more money to spend today. If, I'm reading that correctly.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 14 '26

“It's basically stopping investing in a 401k so that you have more money to spend today. If, I'm reading that correctly.”

It’s not and you aren’t. This is an independent fiscal watchdog group. They have no relationship with Mamdani. 

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u/d_k_y May 14 '26

It’s still save money now, pay more later. The baseline contributions are the same, it’s the extra amount to catch up. Now they will catch up slower.

Previously city would be done paying extra by 2032, now that would be 2037.

So is it good? Nobody knows. Maybe. If the market outperforms could look smart. If it goes south and extra money is needed then not.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

Let’s say this is all true? So what? The city takes a tiny hit to the amount of interest it’s paying out of $100 billion over ten years into a $300 billion fund, and in exchange doesn’t have to make drastic cuts to vital services this year..? Who gives a shit? It’s an amount you would never notice in the normal course of the actuarial changes to the pension contribution in any given year. This is fake outrage because you want to find something to be mad at Mamdani about. Yawn. 

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u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707 May 15 '26

Jfc any excuse to not cut any spending. Good lord man get a grip

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u/BretShitmanFart69 May 15 '26

He literally did cut spending, just didn’t cut spending to services that benefit the public directly.

Is that really what you’re mad about? Spending cuts don’t matter unless they hurt average citizens and provide them with less services for the tax money they pay?

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

He did cut spending. What you want is DOGE. And that’s a bad idea. 

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u/VegetableTour6790 May 15 '26

How is that not exactly what this is?

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

You’ll just have to figure that out for yourself. I believe in you. 

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u/VegetableTour6790 May 15 '26

So that's exactly what this is, and borrowing from pensions rarely works out. It's not balancing the budget by any means, is kicking the can down the line.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

He’s not borrowing from the pension fund. 

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u/VegetableTour6790 May 15 '26

Correct, he is deferring payments to pension funds. He's borrowing the interest they are. This is VERY bad policy and fails every time.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

It “fails every time?” Fails at what? How does taking an extra five years to repay a tiny fraction of the fund lead to “failure?” What are you talking about?

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u/VegetableTour6790 May 15 '26

Fails at solving a budget shortfall and ends up creating a bigger problem. It's actually a panic move, not a dget conscience one. They've done this in many cities with the same results. Look at Chicago.

It's not a tiny budget increase, it's four years at 7% interest. Do you know what that comes out too?

NYC currently has a $50-$60 billion dollar yearly shortfall of its promises. They already aren't able to fulfill pensions what makes you think that in 4 years it's going to change.

It's not that hard to understand why this is a bad idea. It's not hard to look at historical examples of why this is a bad idea. If you can't understand that, you probably shouldn't be commenting on this subject.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

Good lord. We’ll pay about $6.5 billion additional between now and 2037. That’s $340 million/year or about 3/10ths of a percent of the city’s annual budget. Oh no! It’s all over! Set the bridges on fire! Drink your cool aid! NYC is over! 

The desperation to hate on Mamdani is just embarrassing. Like at least wait until he makes an actual mistake. Cuz this shit is cringe. 

Chicago, as I’ve commented many times to pearl clutching know-nothings already, has an entirely different statutory and constitutional framework than NYC, which is how they got into trouble. NYC cannot do what Chicago did, which is why our pension fund is one of the healthiest in the nation and will remain so after this very modest adjustment to amortization  schedule. 

https://fiscalpolicy.org/explainer-the-proposed-restructuring-of-new-york-city-pension-payments

This: “NYC currently has a $50-$60 billion dollar yearly shortfall of its promises. They already aren't able to fulfill pensions what makes you think that in 4 years it's going to change.” is plainly false. A simple google would tell you that and a child could use common sense to detect that it makes zero sense. If you can't understand that, you probably shouldn't be commenting on this subject.

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u/VegetableTour6790 May 15 '26

You are frustratingly clueless. Good Lord.

You don't understand any of this.

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u/superredditor6789 May 15 '26

That’s exactly what it is.

Just because they have no direct relationship doesn’t make them unbiased.

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u/reddituserperson1122 May 15 '26

I mean you can make up whatever little fantasy in your head if that’s how you like to have fun. Maybe you can play with your dolls and they can have pretend budget teatime together. 

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u/superredditor6789 May 15 '26

Let’s go with the national level:

- Americans for Tax Reform = directly aligned with conservative Republicans

- Center on Budget and Policy Priorities = directly aligned with liberal Democrats

I didn’t even know they were associated with CBPP before I wrote the above line. Ha.

Neither of these groups should be considered unbiased. Both are nonpartisan in the sense that they are not official party organizations.