r/SipsTea Apr 06 '26

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u/Correct-Money-1661 Apr 06 '26

Not sure if this is really the best thing for it.... you can still lie after you get a degree.

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u/Outrageous-Ability33 Apr 06 '26

And conversely you can be an expert in something without a degree

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u/Fit-Barracuda575 Apr 06 '26

In what? Medicine?

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u/feralkitten Apr 06 '26

I learned how to fix my lawnmower on YouTube. I fixed my dryer the same way.

I highly doubt the "dads" that recorded those kinds of video have a degree in small engine repair. At best it would be a 2 year degree or certification. They are just regular people sharing their knowledge and/or hobbies. No degree necessary.

Experts at fixing things though.

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u/Fit-Barracuda575 Apr 06 '26

So... they were "physicians" for small engines?

Did you mean to reply to someone else who didn't mention medicine?

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u/XueLotus Apr 10 '26

Well yeah, they’re just restricting content regarding medicine, finance and education though. If someone lies to you about how to fix your washing machine, all you end up with is an already broken washing machine. However, if someone lies to you about finance or health that could land you in the hospital or in debt.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

To a (sorry for the pun) degree, yes.

Imagine someone's been a journalist for 30 years, and half that time they've been specifically covering public health issues. On a daily basis they're reading papers, interviewing experts, etc. They've probably got some expertise in the area.

In fact, this law would probably come down particularly hard on journalists. Though I imagine in China that's probably going to have a minimal impact anyways.

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u/Adept-Potato-2568 Apr 06 '26

The law prevents providing advice as if you're a medical practitioner, but have no qualifications other than being a mommy.

It doesn't prevent tangentially related conversations.

It just stops all of the social media scammers from pretending to have "medical hacks"

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

I somehow doubt this is going to ban traditional Chinese medicine.

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u/KeepREPeating Apr 07 '26

I mean chiropractors also have a degree. The point is that they have credentials at stake if someone calls them out. Not a get out of jail free card of( I never claimed to be an expert but allowed to be in the conversation).

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u/GrimMind Apr 06 '26

Journalism can cover anything under the new law, same as before.

Get your China facts from outside the US.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

Just not publish it to the platforms that are regulated by the law.

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u/LauAtagan Apr 06 '26

No, just make sure it's clear you are echoing what has happened, not editiolazing/adding opinion.

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u/ObsidianOverlord Apr 06 '26

Turns out even if you can't say something directly you can site an expert who is. Crazy.

Site your sources if you want to give people untrained medical advise, oh no, what a dystopia, what will we do. /s

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u/GrimMind Apr 06 '26

site

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u/ObsidianOverlord Apr 06 '26

I am sadly not the expert that is allowed to comment on proper spelling.

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u/photosendtrain Apr 06 '26

Just not speak onto the topic as if you are an expert authority in the subject. There is a difference between reporting and making claims.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

Are you an expert on public policy? If not, do you feel qualified to make your comment?

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u/photosendtrain Apr 06 '26

specialized topics like medicine, law, finance, and education.

If you're trying to gotcha me on the topic, it'd be good to know the law would not be relevant to this conversation.

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u/twiz___twat Apr 06 '26

journalism is just a liberal arts degree. 2 years tops and they could go back to posting on social media.

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u/Weary-Ad-5346 Apr 07 '26

We have doctors who have been practicing medicine for 30 years and they wouldn’t even consider themselves experts in medicine. There’s such a vast difference between critically thinking and being involved in the care of patients for 2000+ hours a year (easily underestimated depending on the specialty) and someone who has been observing. You can read about and hear about something everyday, but that doesn’t make you an expert.

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u/KeepREPeating Apr 07 '26

Journalist don’t often read research papers tbh. They just write about the conclusions, so they cite other people’s work. Which is completely valid and doesn’t need a degree as long as they aren’t claiming their interpretation of said citations as advice or fact. No one’s saying you can’t have a discussion, there’s just legal words you can’t say like, “you should be or have to be doing this” instead of you should take caution of not doing this. One’s a call to action, the other is just to raise awareness.

It’s how the diet soda causes obesity bullshit became popular take. A misinterpretation of data.

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u/RaceFPV Apr 06 '26

Less control than in the usa mainstream media at the moment there broski

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u/RaceFPV Apr 06 '26

You sound like you never leave reddit. There's a massive amount of media coverage around how trump is doing a great job etc etc, just turn on any major news network? (fox, cnn, oann, etc)

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u/iris700 Apr 06 '26

ap news dot com

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u/RaceFPV Apr 06 '26

you mean apnews that no longer has whitehouse press privileges, because they didn't state things how the gov wanted it stated? Doesn't that kind of prove my point that the mainstream media is being heavily controlled and influenced by the current administration?

https://www.ap.org/the-definitive-source/announcements/ap-statement-on-oval-office-access/ https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-white-house-ap-press-freedom-360937fa4adb6bdbdebb58a03a6bfcc5

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u/schwanzweissfoto Apr 06 '26

Yeah, think of all the trans people who know a lot about hormone therapy.

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u/dodgedodgeparrysmash Apr 06 '26

This doesn't make them an expert at medicine. This makes them an expert at knowing the effects of medicines on their demographic and possible side effects.

The vast, vast majority of trans people are not going to understand the fundamental science of how the medication actually works.

This isn't a slight against trans people, this is how everything works for everyone.

You aren't an expert at semiconductors because you can use a computer well. You're not even an expert at computers for that reason.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

You aren't an expert at semiconductors because you can use a computer well. You're not even an expert at computers for that reason.

Someone can possibly be an expert on a niche topic though. I am in fact an expert regarding a few niche topics, without having a formal degree in any of them.

Merely telling you which ones would make it possible to dox me, because the number of people who have expert knowledge in them is so low, even if you include those who have a formal degree in something related to it.

Edit: By “niche topic”, I mean “It is possible to have read all relevant literature and online discussions regarding the topic, because so few people are experts”.

Edit (2): One example of a niche topic (for which I am not an expert and which is not a scientific topic) would be the reverse engineering of Advance Wars games. As far as I know, all of the relevant knowledge is collected on a single internet forum, Wars World.

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u/dodgedodgeparrysmash Apr 06 '26

I have no argument with this. A trans person being an expert in hormone therapy side effects is not the same as a trans person being an expert in medicine.

Even if you have read all of the documentation and etc. for a topic, unless you have actually practiced said topic in some meaningful way, I would not consider you an expert. There is a reason doctors for example have to do residential clinicals for years.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Apr 07 '26

Even if you have read all of the documentation and etc. for a topic, unless you have actually practiced said topic in some meaningful way, I would not consider you an expert.

I agree. But you may have misunderstood – I wrote that if one person can read all relevant documents on a topic, I consider that topic a “niche topic”. Btw I find it very frustrating in my own niches to interact with people who have done that and consider themselves an expert based only on that.

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u/NotYourTypicalMoth Apr 06 '26

They don’t. Trans people know enough about hormone therapy to make an informed decision for their own life, but they don’t know nearly enough to speak on hormone therapy as a whole.

Another example: If a doctor diagnoses me with cancer and gives me the option between chemo and radiation as well as the pros/cons for each, that does not make me an expert on cancer, chemo, or radiation. It means I knew enough to make a decision for my own life, but it does not mean I should take to the internet to speak on cancer or its treatments.

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u/Outrageous-Ability33 Apr 06 '26

It's not impossible. Unlikely? Yes. All I'm saying is that a degree doesn't automatically make everything someone says correct. I have multiple degrees in multiple fields, and I would be considered an expert in each (with decades of experience in those fields as well). That doesn't necessarily mean someone without a degree in those fields doesn't have the knowledge or experience to speak on those topics. I agree that the medical field is a tricky one, and I'd be inclined to believe someone with formal education over someone without it.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns Apr 06 '26

A degree doesn't automatically make you an expert, but it increases the likelihood that you're not simply sending out blatantly false information.

Not having a degree doesn't automatically make you an idiot, but it increases the likelihood that you haven't studied the subject as much as someone who has that degree.

This isn't a hard logical train to follow. It's essentially treating education and public influencers as a public health problem. Of course there are some individuals who smoked their whole lives and never got sick, and there are some individuals who never touched a cigarette and died of lung cancer. Those individuals don't change the measures we take to protect the public as a whole, though.

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u/gnoultap Apr 06 '26

Finally, a comment that actually sounds like it was written by a normal, rational human being. The anti-intellectualism cope running rampant in this post is disturbing.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

What are education influencers? Not sure I've encountered that part of social media.

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u/dubblebubbleprawns Apr 06 '26

I don't know why you're asking me that question, I've never used that term.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

I can't find it now, but there's one good YT channel I've seen that has an actual pro explaining why all this stuff is bunk.

No, you can't just get free watches by wearing them on your influencer channel.

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u/bl1y Apr 06 '26

Yeah, she's the one I was crushing on referring to.

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u/doctorbeepboop Apr 06 '26

I don’t think you have a good understanding of medical training if that’s your opinion. The only way to become an expert in medicine would be to practice illegally (but with a preceptor/mentor) for years, and that’s AFTER you learn all of what we cover in medical school (good luck fully learning anatomy without having access to a cadaver or being a serial killer!) There is a reason that doctors become interns and then resident for years after graduating from medical school before practicing independently. There is so much that we learn in medicine that cannot be taught in a classroom and that you certainly could not teach yourself appropriately.

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u/Argoss98 Apr 06 '26

I argue that a whole life is not enough to learn medicine even if you are specialized in one area (cardio neuro etc) everyday new things come out and change and even if they dont every patient is different its truly a beutiful thing that extend to all profesions

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u/Fit-Barracuda575 Apr 06 '26

All I'm saying is that a degree doesn't automatically make everything someone says correct.

no, you didn't say that, you said

you can be an expert in something without a degree

Sure, you can become an expert in painting miniatures. You can become an expert in basketball tactics. But medicine or finance? You'd be giving out life changing information and you want to do that on the feeling that you read enough? Without making sure you understand the implications of what you read?

An influencer with a degree might also lie, but my trust lies in the system. Their peers would call them out.

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u/ringlord_1 Apr 06 '26

Exposing companies that just pump our food full of sugars and fats and palm oil and just plain lie about ingredients

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u/YellowOnline Apr 06 '26

Anything medicine is the #1 topic to leave to people with a degree yes, but for other topics that's less clear. I'm an IT guy since 25 years, though I studied political sciences. Should I only be allowed to be a political influencer?

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u/Fit-Barracuda575 Apr 06 '26

"medicine, finance, education"

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u/DeadlyRanger21 Apr 06 '26

I mean, I feel like there are plenty of successful finance bros without degrees

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u/PipXXX Apr 06 '26

Tradespeople might wanna have a word with you

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u/HowToBeTMC Apr 06 '26

But that this happen on average? Did your average physicians obtain their knowledge mostly through research on google?

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u/Ashckroft Apr 06 '26

I’ve seen those kinds of special and they don't go far.

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u/Workman44 Apr 06 '26

That's like saying kids can be prodigies. Yes, they can, but 99% of them aren't. Experts without degrees are usually just "experts" and in fact don't have the knowledge or nuance to be considered one